Newcastle United 1-2 Liverpool (27/08/23)

[Bally21]

Aye it was gutting yesterday, I agree with what some have said about the substitutions, but then again there may have been fatigue, etc issues that were a factor. We throw away a 1 goal lead and got beat off 10 men, when that happens the manager will get criticed and that is fair enough.

 

However Eddie is a good manager none the less.

 

A few of the lads just look a bit out of form, doesn't make them bad players.

 

It's just one of those days where you've got to just take it on the chin.

 

Onwards and upwards. HWTL.

[Dan]

I blame the white socks. 

[The Prophet]

I usually get over defeats pretty quickly, but that took a bit longer to shake because of the opposition and the manner of the defeat. Not been that rattled since we lost at Anfield.

 

I'm over it now, on we move. Plenty of positives to take from yesterday though.

 

Our build up from the back was very good.

Botman is going to be an all time great PL CB.

After settling down we were bossing the game with 11 v 11.

Trippier looked back to his best.

Bruno was decent up until his error for the second.

Tonali was very good for the most part. 

Gordon was excellent and is starting to develop a handy relationship with Joelinton. 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by The Prophet

[Rafalove]

https://x.com/premleaguepanel/status/1696167063155265856?s=46&t=JsXtnoSrRpo8KokdoIC95w

[Tsunami]

From what Eddie has said I get the feeling some of the players on the pitch might have unintentionally become inhabited. 
 

Eddie has said he wanted to go for a 2nd goal which was undoubtedly the right thing to do. Somewhere along the line the way to do this got lost out on the pitch. I’m pretty sure if we’d have playing against the same 10 players and have called them say Fulham/ insert the name of another non top 4 side, we’d have managed the game far better.

 

Strange as it is, that loss hurt more than the League Cup final for me. The loss in the final was absolute classic Ncle, yesterday’s loss was self inflicted.

[dcmk]

"Newcastle need a compensatory build-up mechanism which is probably why they bought Lewis Hall."

 

Boggles the mind how anyone can write like this

[The Prophet]

I kind of agree to be fair. I think that's why we tried to get Trippier and Burn more narrow yesterday to help him out. It worked well for the most part too.

[Interpolic]

37 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

I don't think it's as genius as was made out as this was basically our plan against Liverpool when Pope was sent off, iirc, but it's just spot on generally.

 

Didn't stretch them out of their shape enough, didn't get Isak involved enough, didn't have enough quality in key moments.

 

Exactly what I thought while watching it, we definitely went 432 with Isak and ASM up front. 

[Dr Venkman]

33 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

From what Eddie has said I get the feeling some of the players on the pitch might have unintentionally become inhabited. 

[Tsunami]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

Haha, note self, remember predictive text makes you see what you want to see. I’ll just leave unedited; I quite like it ?.

[Vinny Green Balls]

5 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

 Lemmiwinks 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Tsunami said:

From what Eddie has said I get the feeling some of the players on the pitch might have unintentionally become inhabited. 
 

Eddie has said he wanted to go for a 2nd goal which was undoubtedly the right thing to do. Somewhere along the line the way to do this got lost out on the pitch. I’m pretty sure if we’d have playing against the same 10 players and have called them say Fulham/ insert the name of another non top 4 side, we’d have managed the game far better.

 

Strange as it is, that loss hurt more than the League Cup final for me. The loss in the final was absolute classic Ncle, yesterday’s loss was self inflicted.

Inhibited? Yeah you’re right, that’s why I mentioned yesterday about the mental leap we might need to make to put the so-called big teams away.
 

Natural given where we are in our development, but still a pain. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

From what Eddie has said I get the feeling some of the players on the pitch might have unintentionally become inhabited. 
 

Eddie has said he wanted to go for a 2nd goal which was undoubtedly the right thing to do. Somewhere along the line the way to do this got lost out on the pitch. I’m pretty sure if we’d have playing against the same 10 players and have called them say Fulham/ insert the name of another non top 4 side, we’d have managed the game far better.

 

Strange as it is, that loss hurt more than the League Cup final for me. The loss in the final was absolute classic Ncle, yesterday’s loss was self inflicted.

Howe said we were aware of their threat on the break and we definitely played like it. I still think we played the first 10 mins of the second half well enough; settled things down, kept possession, got into good positions on a few occasions which led to promising openings. We had their plan worked out and them penned in - this was the time to start upping the tempo.

 

On the watch back, it was noticeable how much we went for the safe option until they scored. We had many chances to slip a ball in between the lines through the middle, play a quick one around the corner, make a switch, or whip a cross in earlier... but we didn't. It seems like we tried to be like a Pep/RDZ team by taking the ball a bit deeper and passing between defenders until we drew them out but they rarely took the bait. The amount of times we just played it backwards instead was very, very noticeable. I didn't clock it at the time but Trippier was potentially the worst offender for it when he'd moved back out onto the touchline - at least 4 occasions to keep good moves building and he chose to put his foot on the ball and go backwards. Schar was also weirdly conservative; one diagnoal attempt and no real carrying out. Tonali didn't do enough of what Longstaff is really underrated at which is get into that half space on the right when it was absolutely there to attack.

 

Gordon was so much more positive with his touches than anyone else. 

 

Maybe I'll be over this one tomorrow 

[Viana]

11 hours ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Saw this and found it interesting, do think that switching our wingers to be non inverted might’ve helped yesterday.

 

 

Came in to post this.

 

It’s possibly some of Clery’s finest work and does a great job of explaining what Howe’s next step is in evolving the team. 
 

We can’t rely solely on wide players to offer width, especially when we know the opponent intends to sit deep.
 

It’s one thing for the two 8’s to drift out wide and create triangles (Bruno is class at this), we also need our fullbacks to offer varied support.
 

The good news is; I think Howe knew this and that’s why we’ve pushed hard for two young fullbacks that like to get forward and contribute in the final third.

 

It would have been a bold move, but if you drop Lewis Hall in there for Burn at half time or on the hour mark and let Trippier sit as part of the three man defence instead of Burn I think you get that second goal. 

[Cronky]

3 minutes ago, Viana said:

Came in to post this.

 

It’s possibly some of Clery’s finest work and does a great job of explaining what Howe’s next step is in evolving the team. 
 

We can’t rely solely on wide players to offer width, especially when we know the opponent intends to sit deep.
 

It’s one thing for the two 8’s to drift out wide and create triangles (Bruno is class at this), we also need our fullbacks to offer varied support.
 

The good news is; I think Howe knew this and that’s why we’ve pushed hard for two young fullbacks that like to get forward and contribute in the final third.

 

It would have been a bold move, but if you drop Lewis Hall in there for Burn at half time or on the hour mark and let Trippier sit as part of the three man defence instead of Burn I think you get that second goal. 

 

Yeah, I like this. Full backs can play a big part if we're trying to break down a packed defence, which at the moment is difficult. Eddie tries to play an attacking game, and really needs his two full backs to support the attack.

[NE27]

Made the mistake of looking at the comments on our Instagram posts for the game, holy shit.

 

Lot of weird nufc fans going in hard on EH and a LOT of foreign LFC fans ribbing 

 

If becoming a bigger club means getting these weird cling ons who basically shag players wherever they go and just spew abuse on social media, I think I might want to get off this ride at some point

[Groundhog63]

2 minutes ago, NE27 said:

Made the mistake of looking at the comments on our Instagram posts for the game, holy shit.

 

Lot of weird nufc fans going in hard on EH and a LOT of foreign LFC fans ribbing 

 

If becoming a bigger club means getting these weird cling ons who basically shag players wherever they go and just spew abuse on social media, I think I might want to get off this ride at some point

You've just described here

[NE27]

1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said:

You've just described here

 

I feel NO is fairly good at filtering out the weirdos.

 

Some of them play a fine line, but the incessant weirdos get the boot eventually.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

3 minutes ago, NE27 said:

Made the mistake of looking at the comments on our Instagram posts for the game, holy shit.

 

Lot of weird nufc fans going in hard on EH and a LOT of foreign LFC fans ribbing 

 

If becoming a bigger club means getting these weird cling ons who basically shag players wherever they go and just spew abuse on social media, I think I might want to get off this ride at some point

You could also just not be daft enough to look at those social media comments ??‍♂️ I mean it’s not like we've had a decade of comments sections being full of rampant incel misogyny, racism and other such utter fuckwits to give us a heads up to give them a solid swerve

[NE27]

Just now, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

You could also just not be daft enough to look at those social media comments ??‍♂️ I mean it’s not like we've had a decade of comments sections being full of rampant incel misogyny, racism and other such utter fuckwits to give us a heads up to give them a solid swerve

 

Very true.

 

But I'm only just coming out of my self imposed football ban after the game and was just browsing insta. Curiosity got the better of me and I got my fingers burnt, again.

 

Lack of faith in humanity well and truly restored.

[Groundhog63]

19 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

I feel NO is fairly good at filtering out the weirdos.

 

Some of them play a fine line, but the incessant weirdos get the boot eventually.

I'm still in

[Bishops Finger]

5 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm still in

We need someone to make am example of??

[Groundhog63]

2 minutes ago, Bishops Finger said:

We need someone to make am example of??

I've already done a 7 day ban for calling people "dumb cunts" mind, ?

I just mutter it to myself now ?

[andycap]

We could of went two up top against Liverpool second half and got our wingers to change to orthodox crossing to stretch them wide and leave them light in the centre of the defence. 

[Minhosa]

Haven't read through the thread having taken me this long to reconsider the game after feeling sick at the way it ended. It's a game I'll never rewatch.

 

However, a few observations that have probably been made elsewhere but;

 

1) Why the fuck did the 4th official literally stand right next to the Liverpool technical area all bastard game like him and Klopp were a double act? If that big teethed cunt is ranting and raving (which he was. All game) why would you make it easy for him? Surely you'd move about and generally try to avoid the prick rather than enable him?

 

2) I don't know how easy this would've been to spot on the TV but, at the game in the first half, Salah was covering the space (out of possession) right in front of where I sit. He was fucking superb when we had the ball. It's not something I've ever noticed before BUT if you wonder why we didn't constantly get Gordon on the ball and one on one with TAA then look at what Salah was doing whenever Burn had possession. He killed that passing channel brilliantly. I've never taken any notice of the defensive elements of his game but he was fucking superb in that first half at protecting TAA.

 

3) Trippier was fucking superb up to his booking. After that, I felt he needed a booking available to him as they piled pressure on down our left hand side during the last 15 mins. He could've done with the option of a cynical foul. A couple of times you could see the cogs turning whereas, without the booking, he'd have made the challenge and run the risk of the card. I'd have brought Livramento on second half of the second half just to have that option. No reflection of KT's performance more the fact that Jota was causing us issues down that side.

 

4) It's some small solace to me that Howe will be hurting like fuck this week. Too many previous managers would've shrugged this game/result off as 'one of those things' but Howe will be devastated. Thankfully he's got tonnes of credit in the bank because the game management second half defied all logic to me. One thing that may be worth looking at is whether Longstaff is a player you bring off the bench or just either start or drop. It's such a hard position to come into and pick the pace of the game up and he looked miles off it on Sunday for me.

 

5) Easy to say but it's a game of such fine margins. That Allison save, the Miggy post shot, the Barnes crossing opportunity etc and we are home and hosed and everyone is delighted with 6 points from a very tough 9. To not take a point out of that is gutting but, get Brighton out of the way, then hopefully we can put a run together and get going.

 

 

Overall, still lots of positives (Tonali, Gordon, Botman etc) and I'm still fully in the headspace of 'trust the process' so don't see any need to panic. Keep the faith.