Newcastle United 4-0 Crystal Palace (21/10/23)

[The College Dropout]

21 hours ago, Stifler said:

It had fuck all to do with the illegal streaming as well. It had everything to do with the majority of the top 6 not wanting us as competition.

It is widely reported that Gary Hoffman was brought in to stop our takeover by 5 of the top 6 clubs, and his failure to prevent that is why he was essentially sacked.

The illegal streaming in Saudi had stopped ages ago, and the reinstatement of Bein was applied before our takeover went through.

 

On top of this, the assurances that the Saudi government couldn’t influence anything regarding the club was a made up reason. The Premier League has no such rules against it, in fact Chinese companies even if they are officially owned by Chinese individuals are all subject to Chinese government control when their government requires it. The Premier League at the time had a situation where both the owners of Southampton and WBA had been informed by the Chinese government to sell the clubs and stop further investment. There was also question marks over if it could be applied to Wolves owners as well.

 

The reason the takeover went through is because the Friday before the judge in the CAT case had allowed us to use evidence, and publicly against the Premier League which showed that they were illegally trying to block the takeover upon request of the 5 clubs, and there also indications that the evidence would also show that the Premier League knew about the ESL proposals and were more on board with it than they made out to be.

 

The allowing of Bein being shown in Saudi, and the legal assurances were all a smokescreen the Premier League requested in order to give the impression that they did what they could to prevent the takeover, and to save face.

I wasn't paying attention to the takeover prior to it happening. What's worth reading on the points you've described?

[Skeletor]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=165021963351125

 

Finally the proper camera angle of Wilson's goal.

[Smal]

Andersen was so half-arsed for that goal. 

[huss9]

16 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=165021963351125

 

Finally the proper camera angle of Wilson's goal.

the best view is the one from behind. murphy has so much faith in trippier's ability that he has a quick look and just runs - he knows the balls gonna be perfect.

and tripps plays it outside him bending in - just genius. am sure a lot of full backs would have played it inside.

[Stifler]

4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I wasn't paying attention to the takeover prior to it happening. What's worth reading on the points you've described?

A lot of it was buried in Twitter and articles at the time.

 

For example the majority of the piracy had stopped before our takeover was even first revealed in public in 2020. People in Saudi had reported that Bein was reinstated in Saudi Arabia months before our takeover approved. It was only formally announced a day before our takeover took place.

 

There were no rules and still aren’t any rules against countries owning a club in the Premier Leagues owners and directors test, nor is there any clause which states that the country mustn’t interfere with the running of a club. Who the fuck would put a clause in saying that the owner can’t get involved in the day to day running of the club? Where would that ever make sense? It’s a ludicrous suggestion.

The majority of the top 6 though were against our takeover, mostly because they knew they would be left behind. PSG were also applying pressure because at the time Qatar, and Saudi Arabia were at the time involved in a political war.

 

The CAT case was what settled the debate. I honestly believe the Premier League never thought the club would go that far, they are used to having no one hold them to account, so why would they expect a member club to take them to court. I also believe that they thought that either the club was bluffing, fucked up the case so it was dismissed, or less likely, they wanted the excuse that the CAT case ruled against them so had no choice but to allow the takeover.

We know that during that initial start of proceedings, the Premier League wanted some evidence that the club had to be barred from being used in the case. The judge on the Friday refused the Premier Leagues request and allowed for the evidence to be used during the proceedings that would start in the January. It was at this point the Premier League knew the club was not bluffing, knew the clubs legal team hadn’t fucked up their case, and threaten to reveal evidence that the Premier League did not want to be public.

Less than a week later the takeover was completed.

[The College Dropout]

31 minutes ago, Stifler said:

A lot of it was buried in Twitter and articles at the time.

 

For example the majority of the piracy had stopped before our takeover was even first revealed in public in 2020. People in Saudi had reported that Bein was reinstated in Saudi Arabia months before our takeover approved. It was only formally announced a day before our takeover took place.

 

There were no rules and still aren’t any rules against countries owning a club in the Premier Leagues owners and directors test, nor is there any clause which states that the country mustn’t interfere with the running of a club. Who the fuck would put a clause in saying that the owner can’t get involved in the day to day running of the club? Where would that ever make sense? It’s a ludicrous suggestion.

The majority of the top 6 though were against our takeover, mostly because they knew they would be left behind. PSG were also applying pressure because at the time Qatar, and Saudi Arabia were at the time involved in a political war.

 

The CAT case was what settled the debate. I honestly believe the Premier League never thought the club would go that far, they are used to having no one hold them to account, so why would they expect a member club to take them to court. I also believe that they thought that either the club was bluffing, fucked up the case so it was dismissed, or less likely, they wanted the excuse that the CAT case ruled against them so had no choice but to allow the takeover.

We know that during that initial start of proceedings, the Premier League wanted some evidence that the club had to be barred from being used in the case. The judge on the Friday refused the Premier Leagues request and allowed for the evidence to be used during the proceedings that would start in the January. It was at this point the Premier League knew the club was not bluffing, knew the clubs legal team hadn’t fucked up their case, and threaten to reveal evidence that the Premier League did not want to be public.

Less than a week later the takeover was completed.

Excellent post - thank you.  
 

……..do we have to give Ashley some credit for forcing the sale through? I assume it was him that financed the case and made sure it was air tight?

[The Bonk]

5 hours ago, Smal said:

Andersen was so half-arsed for that goal. 

Clearly lowering his transfer fee to us. 
 

Think he’s pretty good and would be quality under Howe while paired with Botman.

[The Prophet]

The CAT case would have made for interesting listening, but I don't think it played a particularly big part in the takeover going through.

[alexf]

2 hours ago, The Bonk said:

Clearly lowering his transfer fee to us. 
 

Think he’s pretty good and would be quality under Howe while paired with Botman.

 

His performance at the weekend has made me sour on him a little. That defending for our 4th is really atrocious. He just gives up. 

[SteV]

4 hours ago, alexf said:

 

His performance at the weekend has made me sour on him a little. That defending for our 4th is really atrocious. He just gives up. 

Tbf, if you looked at some of Schar’s performances before Eddie rocked up, you’d probably see similar.

 

Obviously not wanting to compare Hodgson to Bruce, but playing under Eddie just seems to have a magical effect on players.

[Mazzy]

3 minutes ago, SteV said:

Tbf, if you looked at some of Schar’s performances before Eddie rocked up, you’d probably see similar.

 

Obviously not wanting to compare Hodgson to Bruce, but playing under Eddie just seems to have a magical effect on players.

 

It's a good point, no one would've paid good (or any) money for Schar, Lascelles, Almiron, Longstaff, Joelinton or Murphy before the takeover. Also, players have off days, Guehi and the rest of the defence were on a hiding to nothing in that game really, mistakes were always going to happen, as they almost always do against us by design of our gameplan.

[Stottie]

5 hours ago, alexf said:

 

His performance at the weekend has made me sour on him a little. That defending for our 4th is really atrocious. He just gives up. 

In fairness, Schar looks awful on the Ferguson hat-trick goal at Brighton. Even good players can bad moments, and they will be more likely when the team is already multiple goals behind.

[GeordieDazzler]

No Murphy in Garth’s team of the week

[Dr. TC]

9 hours ago, alexf said:

 

His performance at the weekend has made me sour on him a little. That defending for our 4th is really atrocious. He just gives up. 

He looked slow even before he gave up

[The Prophet]

Found it hard to be too critical of the Palace defence when they were given absolutely no protection from the midfield. Mitchell in particular was left completely isolated, we always had numbers on them.

[Paully]

https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1716805606407819287?s=46&t=FsEm6VC2ijNnTjHjyXU7DA

[Pancrate1892]

Despite this thumping victory Garth crooks only named trippier in his team of the week on BBC. 

Murphy scores and gets 2 assists and not included. 

He's even included Dalot who didn't even keep a clean sheet. 

[SteV]

15 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

Despite this thumping victory Garth crooks only named trippier in his team of the week on BBC. 

Murphy scores and gets 2 assists and not included. 

He's even included Dalot who didn't even keep a clean sheet. 

Garth Crooks is absolutely mental though.

[RodneyCisse]

On 23/10/2023 at 15:52, Skeletor said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=165021963351125

 

Finally the proper camera angle of Wilson's goal.

Speed of that goal was amazing.

[TheBrownBottle]

On 23/10/2023 at 04:19, Stifler said:

It had fuck all to do with the illegal streaming as well. It had everything to do with the majority of the top 6 not wanting us as competition.

It is widely reported that Gary Hoffman was brought in to stop our takeover by 5 of the top 6 clubs, and his failure to prevent that is why he was essentially sacked.

The illegal streaming in Saudi had stopped ages ago, and the reinstatement of Bein was applied before our takeover went through.

 

On top of this, the assurances that the Saudi government couldn’t influence anything regarding the club was a made up reason. The Premier League has no such rules against it, in fact Chinese companies even if they are officially owned by Chinese individuals are all subject to Chinese government control when their government requires it. The Premier League at the time had a situation where both the owners of Southampton and WBA had been informed by the Chinese government to sell the clubs and stop further investment. There was also question marks over if it could be applied to Wolves owners as well.

 

The reason the takeover went through is because the Friday before the judge in the CAT case had allowed us to use evidence, and publicly against the Premier League which showed that they were illegally trying to block the takeover upon request of the 5 clubs, and there also indications that the evidence would also show that the Premier League knew about the ESL proposals and were more on board with it than they made out to be.

 

The allowing of Bein being shown in Saudi, and the legal assurances were all a smokescreen the Premier League requested in order to give the impression that they did what they could to prevent the takeover, and to save face.

Simply not the case.  The KSA govt settled with Qatar & BEIN with a ten-figure sum changing hands.  Two days later the takeover block ended. But was everything to do with piracy - once the piracy issue was settled (not pirating anymore is not a settlement) that was it.  The idea that the PL were scared of disclosure is laughable.  There is nothing in the rules re state ownership etc - it was because of KSA’s failure to settle / admit culpability that it remained an issue.  
 

The block of the takeover wasn’t ‘illegal’, either - they were within their rights to apply the O&D test to anyone with controlling interest.  Of course the PIF didn’t want MBS sitting it - 1) because of the embarrassment caused generally of their HoS having to be tested and 2) because the tie to piracy (and potentially HR abuses) will likely see the takeover be failed (conviction of a crime isn’t a requirement to fail the O&D test - you can fail if you would likely have been convicted elsewhere.  MBS is unlikely to face a jury in Riyadh any time soon).

 

With the BeIN roadblock gone, the PL no longer gave a shite.  This is why the ‘separation’ horseshit followed quickly - they no longer needed to threaten to have MBS sit the O&D test.  Some of the clubs did give a shite, of course. 

[wormy]

On 23/10/2023 at 21:10, The College Dropout said:

Excellent post - thank you.  
 

……..do we have to give Ashley some credit for forcing the sale through? I assume it was him that financed the case and made sure it was air tight?

 

Chatting half-cut shit here but could that be what the loan to Staveley was about? 

[The College Dropout]

21 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

Chatting half-cut shit here but could that be what the loan to Staveley was about? 

According to @Stifler it was the club aka Ashley, that pushed the sale through with legal action against the PL. So, I am not sure why Ashley would give Staveley a loan? But obviously, Staveley would've been very close to it.

 

TBH - I don't know.

 

I didn't pay much attention to the sale after it was initially rebuffed. Kudos to everyone who followed it closely. I had given up.