Jonas Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Think match cam has sneakily used angles where none of the elements questioned on the goal look questionable, for posterity. I've heard the Arsenal version is like the zoom in on the Zapruder film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Nobody said: You keep saying this, but he quite clearly make contact with his front foot I'm honestly not seeing it Surely if he does he breaks his leg? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1892er Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, rebelrouser said: Beating a talented rival is one thing but having their fans whine and moan for days after makes it so much better. Its like winning all over again. Hilarious. Think Arsenal fans are forgetting the way their players behaved in 2003 after the Van Nistelrooy penalty miss. A few shoves from Bruno was nothing compared to the way their players behaved that day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 He clips him. It is quite obvious. If Longstaff’s leg was two inches further forward. That’s potentially a serious injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I'm honestly not seeing it Surely if he does he breaks his leg? He literally skims it. Seems to drag Longstaff's shinpad and sock away as his first foot goes through. Maybe missed his skin due to the lack of blood but you're talking millimetres difference from slicing him open or worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 hours ago, OCK said: @The Prophet. This angle gives a better view. You can see Longstaffs sock turn, meaning theres contact. Another couple of centimetres and theres a possible break there. Haevertz is as snide a player as there is in the Premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Didn’t think it was a red until I saw that angle with him touching the shin pad. Could’ve been horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nobody said: You keep saying this, but he quite clearly make contact with his front foot Yeah good spot, he clearly hits his shinpad as @80 says, absolutely no question it's a red then Imagine trying to moan about that loss, man. Absolute whoppers. Edited November 5, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Didn’t think it was a red until I saw that angle with him touching the shin pad. Could’ve been horrific. I thought it was a red straight away. It doesn't need to make contact if the intent is there. Like throwing a punch but missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) Someone with an account post that Reddit post on an Arsenal forum man We could carry this fume on 'til Dortmund. Edited November 5, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) They were always the most sensitive to ‘bad’ tackles over the years. They’ve had some shocking injuries to Ramsey and Eduardo that understandably made them more focused on dangerous challenges. Wenger was always one to speak out about it. Not seen much mention of this. Or if they have, it’s to say that it was only a yellow. Mugs. Edited November 5, 2023 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 contact is irrelevant. its the intent. he was no way in control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, huss9 said: contact is irrelevant. its the intent. he was no way in control. To be fair, and it's more devil's advocate, how exactly do you know what the intent is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, 1892er said: Think Arsenal fans are forgetting the way their players behaved in 2003 after the Van Nistelrooy penalty miss. A few shoves from Bruno was nothing compared to the way their players behaved that day. I'm still raging about the assaults they dished out to Ginola in '95. It’s what made me laugh about their reaction to the 0-0 at their place their literal identity was about defensive solidity for decades. Then again they’re that silent as a fanbase now I doubt half of the current lot have ever heard 1-0 to the Arsenal be sung Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, McDog said: To be fair, and it's more devil's advocate, how exactly do you know what the intent is? what do you think his intent was. off the ground , diving in, no control, no where near the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, McDog said: To be fair, and it's more devil's advocate, how exactly do you know what the intent is? What else could the intent be? He wasn’t trying to get the ball, it had already gone and he attempted to make contact high on the shin with both feet of the ground? Thankfully his attempts to do Longstaff were as successful as everything else the useless twat tries on a football pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, huss9 said: what do you think his intent was. off the ground , diving in, no control, no where near the ball. No idea, so I guess you lean on what the laws of the game actually say. I thought it was a dangerous move, just not sure what the laws say. You can't know intent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: What else could the intent be? He wasn’t trying to get the ball, it had already gone and he attempted to make contact high on the shin with both feet of the ground? Thankfully his attempts to do Longstaff were as successful as everything else the useless twat tries on a football pitch It's going to seem like I'm defending this clown, I'm not. No idea what his intent was though. 1) Put the team on notice physical play is coming? 2) Intimidate short term? 3) Trying to cause injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, McDog said: No idea, so I guess you lean on what the laws of the game actually say. I thought it was a dangerous move, just not sure what the laws say. You can't know intent. You can't know it, you can make an assessment of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 I'm sure as hell no expert on the rules but as far as I was aware there doesn't have to be intent nor contact depending on the circumstance. There seems to be a general consensus these days that two feet off the ground, studs up is understandably an out of control tackle that is considered dangerous. I don't see how it doesn't simply come under serious foul play here: Quote SERIOUS FOUL PLAY A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 I think the fact that he's a cunt gives you all the information you need to make an accurate assessment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 How much more force can you put into a tackle when you've taken off, flown through the air for 2 or 3 yards with both feet aimed at your opponents legs and made contact with both for it to be deemed 'excessive' what more does the cunt have to do ffs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 The most annoying thing about this situation with the Havertz challenge is how quick the ref has the yellow out his pocket. He's got it out a split second after the tackle, whether he thinks that'll calm the Newcastle players down or not? Maybe, but it actually does the opposite and angers Schar and Tripper particularly even more so. I understand he has to make the decision at some point but perhaps he should speak to the linesman or 4th official who were stood a yard or two away first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 It's simple really, there doesn't need to be contact for a challenge to be regarded as careless, reckless or with excessive force. The fact there is contact despite it not being as dangerous as it could have been, it should still have been a red card. I don't think you can see that tackle and think anything else really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Well, Arteta is nuts, perhaps we can all agree on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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