Newcastle United 1-0 Manchester United (02/12/23) | Reaction: Pg. 34 | Goal-post: OP

[Disco]

15 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Madri Ten Hag is awful. I get the club is badly run. But he has to take plenty of the blame. 
 

He has been there a while now and I have no clue what his style is supposed to be? Are they a counter attacking side, direct, possession based, high pressing? They don’t seem to have any discernible style. Looks like 11 strangers on the pitch when I’ve seen them this season. 
 

If he seemed to have a long term plan and the fans and club could tell what it was. Would he not get more slack even though the results are bad? Like I said, I have no idea what he’s trying to build or how he wants his team to play.

 

When he has been backed to go and get his man. He has spent a lot of money and not massively improved the squad. 
 

All outside looking in, of course. Probably wide of the mark with some stuff. 

 

 

 

Thought he was onto something last season but whatever that was seems a long way in the distance now and was possibly just masked by having Rashford playing out of his skin. 
 

He’s clearly been fully dictating transfers too since they only seem to get players ge knows or has worked with before which given his managerial history is somewhat limiting and then you’ve got the fallings out every other month which can’t be good for a fairly bad tempered dressing room. All of which works against him too but then he’s not the first to be shite there and probably won’t be the last. Suspect he won’t be there next season regardless if the new part owners come in.

[MrRaspberryJam]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/howe-would-eddie-do-at-united.480424/

 

They aren't fans of Eddie

 

“He's an okay manager, but lets not pretend that all this "improvement" isn't off the back of spending £400m quid. People in the media are acting surprised that Livramento is a good player: he wasn't free. Nor was Anthony Gordon. The two of them cost £100m quid. If they weren't owned by the Saudi's, neither player would be at their club. Nor would Trippier, who was excellent as always yesterday.

Our own problems (Anthony for instance) cost more, and are worse, but lets not make out that this is some sort of miracle that Howe is working. His side SHOULD be good enough to compete at St James Park with us, Liverpool and City. They've sure spent enough. 

Shearer etc all gonna wank themselves for days over this result, but it's all blood money so feck them and feck the entire media for just swerving the entire issue. It's unbelievable how much I hate those snivelling fecks now, and anyone that "enjoys" their ascent should be immolated. Happy?”

[PauloGeordio]

28 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

“He's an okay manager, but lets not pretend that all this "improvement" isn't off the back of spending £400m quid. People in the media are acting surprised that Livramento is a good player: he wasn't free. Nor was Anthony Gordon. The two of them cost £100m quid. If they weren't owned by the Saudi's, neither player would be at their club. Nor would Trippier, who was excellent as always yesterday.

Our own problems (Anthony for instance) cost more, and are worse, but lets not make out that this is some sort of miracle that Howe is working. His side SHOULD be good enough to compete at St James Park with us, Liverpool and City. They've sure spent enough. 

Shearer etc all gonna wank themselves for days over this result, but it's all blood money so feck them and feck the entire media for just swerving the entire issue. It's unbelievable how much I hate those snivelling fecks now, and anyone that "enjoys" their ascent should be immolated. Happy?”

[Checko]

6 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

He always was. As soon as things get tough he's always the first to fold. 

Even so, there's not giving a fuck, obviously not giving a fuck, clearly not caring that you're obviously not giving a fuck, and actively trying to demonstrate you're clearly not caring that you're obviously not giving a fuck.

 

Surprised to see him in that last group.

[PauloGeordio]

[Kanj]

Man United need a clear out of epic proportions. 

[gbandit]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Man United need a clear out of epic proportions. 

Colonic irrigation 

[Miercoles]

It's an ownership issue. They're doing the Mike Ashley program just at the other end of the scale, so just enough to stay in the competition so you can trouser the TV money. Just in their case it's champions League instead of premier League that they're trying to just barely qualify for.

 

That attitude, trying to actually make money with a football club, is always going to keep them away from sporting success 

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

Is there a replay of the Isak potential foul when he was 2 on 1 near the end?  Was it a foul?  

[El Prontonise]

3 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

Is there a replay of the Isak potential foul when he was 2 on 1 near the end?  Was it a foul?  

 

It wasn't a foul, isak didn't even complain about it.

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

It wasn't a foul, isak didn't even complain about it.

I thought he flapped his arms.  Live it looked like there was a pull.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by KetsbaiaIsBald

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

Is there a replay of the Isak potential foul when he was 2 on 1 near the end?  Was it a foul?  

 

They didn't replay it, but looked like Amrabat had his shirt.

[greydos]

6 hours ago, GeordieDazzler said:

“You’ve seen Wor Bruno, now f*^k off home! You’ve been Wor Bruno’d, now f*^k off home!”

[joeyt]

Siem de Jong was pitchside yesterday,presumably commenting on Dutch telly. No one seemed torecognise him at all, poor bloke

[Jackie Broon]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

Siem de Jong was pitchside yesterday,presumably commenting on Dutch telly. No one seemed torecognise him at all, poor bloke

 

I'm picturing various Father Larry Duff esque outcomes from that situation.

[gbandit]

5 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

The medical staff recognised him.

[Froggy]

34 minutes ago, Checko said:

Even so, there's not giving a fuck, obviously not giving a fuck, clearly not caring that you're obviously not giving a fuck, and actively trying to demonstrate you're clearly not caring that you're obviously not giving a fuck.

 

Surprised to see him in that last group.

 

I'm not surprised in the slightest, but I am surprised he continues to get away with it. It's not overly noticeable to opposition fans when he's sauntering about against Burnley, but against a team like yourselves which is full of desire, he's stuck out like a sore thumb. 

 

I'm just glad fans are starting to see what we see. We often getting accused of making scapegoats when things go wrong and there may well be some truth in that, but Rashford is an undeniable problem. If he doesn't score he's utterly useless and is often a detriment to the team. 

[gbandit]

Got all the time in the world for him off the pitch. Seems odd the way he has essentially downed tools. Is there any theory as to why? Has he always been like this and it was just ignored because Man U were set up better?

[Kimbo]

4 hours ago, Erikse said:

I'm also amazed at how many fans of big clubs that compare our spending to theirs and act like an equal net spending from a formely 19th placed Newcastle should give the same results as an already established top club who spends the same. Nottingham spent the same as us last season, but Cooper was still getting praise for a 14th place finish.

 

 

 

Wage bills never get mentioned in these net spend debates either, as if the only spending players is through transfer fees.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Kimbo

[ikri]

34 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Man United need a clear out of epic proportions. 

 

Part of their problem is the huge wages that a lot of the players are on.  Sancho is a perfect example, he's on £250k per week.  Even if the manager wants rid of him, who is going to match his wages?  He's under no obligation to leave until his contract is up and there's every chance that a new manager will come in and bring him back into the team so there's very little incentive for the player to look for their own exit.  Then there's players like Van de Beek, over £100k per week.  An absolutely insane wage for such a mediocre player.

 

They need a huge clear out but they simply can't do it.

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not surprised in the slightest, but I am surprised he continues to get away with it. It's not overly noticeable to opposition fans when he's sauntering about against Burnley, but against a team like yourselves which is full of desire, he's stuck out like a sore thumb. 

 

I'm just glad fans are starting to see what we see. We often getting accused of making scapegoats when things go wrong and there may well be some truth in that, but Rashford is an undeniable problem. If he doesn't score he's utterly useless and is often a detriment to the team. 

When he was on fire last season he played with fire in his belly. He’s been so meek and pathetic this season. A foreign lad or a big money signing would get singled out for these awful performances. If you’re going to be a luxury player you need to be dangerous every single match.  This is not new though.  Season before last he scored 4 league goals all season.  
 

 

He wasn’t the only one though. We were consistently first to every ball. 

[The College Dropout]

It’s not the players. It’s the whole setup. 

[Tsunami]

8 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:

https://x.com/nufc/status/1731080913688146362?s=46&t=pc6larJe4GBd2ypv2bcECQ

Pope looking far too happy for a bloke who has just dislocated his shoulder. Can’t even say he’s been on the gas and air. He’s still got his keeper’s shirt on. 

[Conjo]

9 minutes ago, ikri said:

 

Part of their problem is the huge wages that a lot of the players are on.  Sancho is a perfect example, he's on £250k per week.  Even if the manager wants rid of him, who is going to match his wages?  He's under no obligation to leave until his contract is up and there's every chance that a new manager will come in and bring him back into the team so there's very little incentive for the player to look for their own exit.  Then there's players like Van de Beek, over £100k per week.  An absolutely insane wage for such a mediocre player.

 

They need a huge clear out but they simply can't do it.

 

Or Maguire this summer who wanted an insane compensation from Man Utd if he were to move to West Ham to offset the loss in wages he would have. Probably the only way Man Utd gets rid of unwanted players before their contract expire, but they refuse to do it

[jackflap]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

When he was on fire last season he played with fire in his belly. He’s been so meek and pathetic this season. A foreign lad or a big money signing would get singled out for these awful performances. If you’re going to be a luxury player you need to be dangerous every single match.  This is not new though.  Season before last he scored 4 league goals all season.  
 

 

He wasn’t the only one though. We were consistently first to every ball. 

 

The interesting thing I found with Rashford last season was that when he hit form it was like everybody assumed that we were witnessing the real Rashford, the player he was always destined to become and it wasn't just a streaky player in the form of his life. He was 25 ffs and in his 7th season. What we're seeing now has been the norm by and large. He's always looked at his best as an impact sub when a goal is needed and he doesn't have the same responsibilities defensively.