Marc Guehi

[ponsaelius]

If he's available at a reasonable price this summer I see absolutely no reason we wouldn't go back in for him again. We've proven to go back in for targets we've missed out on before.

 

Not worth the money we were linked with last summer but I think he'd add something different to our defensive line and no doubt Howe could take him up to another level.

 

I'm not holding the armband incident against him either. Really don't think the lad has any malice in him personally.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 23:32 by ponsaelius

[JonBez comesock]

20 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

If he's available at a reasonable price this summer I see absolutely no reason we wouldn't go back in for him again. We've proven to go back in for targets we've missed out on before.

 

Not worth the money we were linked with last summer but I think he'd add something different to our defensive line and no doubt Howe could take him up to another level.

 

I'm not holding the armband incident against him either. Really don't think the lad has any malice in him personally.

 

 

 

Same here would try at 40m - No higher 

 

if not - Look abroad 

[Erikse]

On 17/04/2025 at 19:24, TBG said:

I've watched enough (two) games involving Crystal Palace this season to know he's absolutely shite. 

 

Scored in both I watched.

[St. Maximin]

On 17/04/2025 at 13:00, enthusiast said:

 

i've never once claimed "love and tolerance as surpassing virtues" and have neither need nor desire to tolerate retrogressive bigoted shite that harms a huge number of people. it's not that i don't want his opinions in my club, i don't want them in my society.

 

besides, i said outspoken homophobia: can't control what he thinks and wouldn't want to, i just don't want it rammed down my throat.

I’m getting involved in this again because I had a conservative Christian upbringing (that I’ve rejected) so I’m in a good place to speak here. What did he say that counts as ‘outspoken homophobia’? I’m still not what this thing he said was, or why people need to think the worst of something because of some stupid writing on an armband. 
 

If you can’t tolerate those views then I should just remind you that I’m sure many of the Christian and Muslim footballers that have played for us likely think similar. @southernmag was spot on there btw - bit of perspective is key rather than chucking everyone under the ‘homophobic’ tag, which seems to range from people who believe in stoning people to death for being gay to people who write they love Jesus on their armbands. 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by St. Maximin

[St. Maximin]

On 17/04/2025 at 13:29, TheBrownBottle said:

He’s not frightened - he hates them for them being themselves.

 

Well that’s all ok then - thanks for the explanation.

 

(Of course, the term hasn’t been ‘hijacked’ and you’re talking complete and utter bollocks.  Homosexuality isn’t a ‘lifestyle [choice]’, nor does prejudice against it reflect a ‘moral objection’.  It’s good old fashioned bigotry). 

He has never ever said he hates them. You’re making assumptions. 
 

I know this from my upbringing and friends and family I have that are conservative Christians. I’m sure many of them don’t agree with gay marriage but I sincerely hope you don’t assume they all hate gay people. It doesn’t work like that and I can explain more if you’re prepared to understand their situation more. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

He has never ever said he hates them. You’re making assumptions. 
 

I know this from my upbringing and friends and family I have that are conservative Christians. I’m sure many of them don’t agree with gay marriage but I sincerely hope you don’t assume they all hate gay people. It doesn’t work like that and I can explain more if you’re prepared to understand their situation more. 

I’m happy for you to explain - and I’m sure they ‘love the sinner but not the sin’.  I’ve absolutely no time though for others decided what people they’ve never met can or can’t do within the bounds of the law and which hurts absolutely no-one.  ‘I don’t agree with gay marriage’ - fine; don’t do it then, and mind your own fucking business about what others do. 

[St. Maximin]

36 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m happy for you to explain - and I’m sure they ‘love the sinner but not the sin’.  I’ve absolutely no time though for others decided what people they’ve never met can or can’t do within the bounds of the law and which hurts absolutely no-one.  ‘I don’t agree with gay marriage’ - fine; don’t do it then, and mind your own fucking business about what others do. 

In Guehi’s case along with others I’m just still not sure why this has led to people making such inferences about what he thinks. Kimbo has summed it up well in saying he’s likely stuck between backward views from his environment and trying to be a good person (and let’s be honest, everything else we’ve seen suggests that’s what he is). It’s pretty clear to me he’s conflicted and also probably a bit stupid - but he’s a product of his upbringing and he sees the world differently, which could mean doing things that are unintentionally offensive. That doesn’t mean he hates gays, or even doesn’t love them - he might have different views on what’s right or wrong, but that’s not an attack on them as people. Say what you like about that (naturally I’m not a fan); it’s a common view in religious circles but most of them don’t get put in positions where they have to wear armbands so normally just stay quiet. And yeah I know the armband doesn’t mean an attack on religion, but some people interpret things in their own ways like with McLean and poppies etc. The key thing for me is while it’s a stupid move there’s no evidence of any malice and it’s not fair at all to make assumptions about what he meant, yet some people are keen to see the absolute worst. Ironically it’s clearly not a black and white issue. There’s a pretty big distinction between wanting people stoned for their sex lives and having a personal view over what is right and wrong, yet it seems to be like even the latter is unacceptable. We wouldn’t know what Guehi thinks if nobody asked him to wear an armband (and tbh, we still don’t really). 
 

More generally what I was saying about Christians (including I’m guessing Guehi) is they do love others but feel they have to follow biblical teachings, which includes saying certain behaviours are sins. And of course one of those is, unfortunately, homosexual sex. What you probably don’t hear is that they often hate how they have to think this and don’t want to hold such views, but feel they need to be consistent to the teachings (which now seem silly to me as an agnostic, but that’s not the point). That doesn’t mean they will treat gay people differently, claim they are inferior or any more sinful, or not stand up against homophobic abuse. Certainly from my experience the typical conservative Christian doesn’t actually care about someone else’s lifestyle; and tbh I see no evidence of that with Guehi here either. I had plenty of conversations with Christian friends over how conflicting these views were to them given the bible’s teachings on love, and a lot of them knew deep down it didn’t make sense, but that’s the cognitive dissonance of religion for you. I’m sure they’d be some of the first to defend their colleagues against homophobic bullying and for all we know so could Guehi. 

 

There’s of course been no shortage of truly horrendous homophobic Christians, but they don’t speak for Christians in general, or Guehi. 
 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by St. Maximin

[Emotic]

Just realised that, other than the goal for us, he also "assisted the assist" by passing it to Lacroix in a very dangerous area. He'd be happy to join us if only to not have to play against us again. 

[Displayname]

Touchy subject, not really sure what to think about it. My grandparents were the kindest people I've ever know, but probably had some fucked up viewpoints due to their religious upbringing. Humans are complex and the ones without sin can throw the first stone and all that. 

If he was more outspoken about it I would have been more certain in my stance, but he was kinda backed into a corner on this one.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Displayname

[Gola]

FACT: Despite his name which sounds like 'gay he', he isn't actually gay.

 

OPINION: Maybe that's why he wrote all over his armband. 

[GEFAFWISP]

Just now, Gola said:

FACT: Despite his name which sounds like 'gay he', he isn't actually gay.

 

OPINION: Maybe that's why he wrote all over his armband. 

Living in denial of his nominative determinism. Embrace the gay...he.