Marc Guehi

[ponsaelius]

If he's available at a reasonable price this summer I see absolutely no reason we wouldn't go back in for him again. We've proven to go back in for targets we've missed out on before.

 

Not worth the money we were linked with last summer but I think he'd add something different to our defensive line and no doubt Howe could take him up to another level.

 

I'm not holding the armband incident against him either. Really don't think the lad has any malice in him personally.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 23:32 by ponsaelius

[JonBez comesock]

20 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

If he's available at a reasonable price this summer I see absolutely no reason we wouldn't go back in for him again. We've proven to go back in for targets we've missed out on before.

 

Not worth the money we were linked with last summer but I think he'd add something different to our defensive line and no doubt Howe could take him up to another level.

 

I'm not holding the armband incident against him either. Really don't think the lad has any malice in him personally.

 

 

 

Same here would try at 40m - No higher 

 

if not - Look abroad 

[Erikse]

On 17/04/2025 at 19:24, TBG said:

I've watched enough (two) games involving Crystal Palace this season to know he's absolutely shite. 

 

Scored in both I watched.

[St. Maximin]

On 17/04/2025 at 13:00, enthusiast said:

 

i've never once claimed "love and tolerance as surpassing virtues" and have neither need nor desire to tolerate retrogressive bigoted shite that harms a huge number of people. it's not that i don't want his opinions in my club, i don't want them in my society.

 

besides, i said outspoken homophobia: can't control what he thinks and wouldn't want to, i just don't want it rammed down my throat.

I’m getting involved in this again because I had a conservative Christian upbringing (that I’ve rejected) so I’m in a good place to speak here. What did he say that counts as ‘outspoken homophobia’? I’m still not what this thing he said was, or why people need to think the worst of something because of some stupid writing on an armband. 
 

If you can’t tolerate those views then I should just remind you that I’m sure many of the Christian and Muslim footballers that have played for us likely think similar. @southernmag was spot on there btw - bit of perspective is key rather than chucking everyone under the ‘homophobic’ tag, which seems to range from people who believe in stoning people to death for being gay to people who write they love Jesus on their armbands. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 00:51 by St. Maximin

[St. Maximin]

On 17/04/2025 at 13:29, TheBrownBottle said:

He’s not frightened - he hates them for them being themselves.

 

Well that’s all ok then - thanks for the explanation.

 

(Of course, the term hasn’t been ‘hijacked’ and you’re talking complete and utter bollocks.  Homosexuality isn’t a ‘lifestyle [choice]’, nor does prejudice against it reflect a ‘moral objection’.  It’s good old fashioned bigotry). 

He has never ever said he hates them. You’re making assumptions. 
 

I know this from my upbringing and friends and family I have that are conservative Christians. I’m sure many of them don’t agree with gay marriage but I sincerely hope you don’t assume they all hate gay people. It doesn’t work like that and I can explain more if you’re prepared to understand their situation more. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

He has never ever said he hates them. You’re making assumptions. 
 

I know this from my upbringing and friends and family I have that are conservative Christians. I’m sure many of them don’t agree with gay marriage but I sincerely hope you don’t assume they all hate gay people. It doesn’t work like that and I can explain more if you’re prepared to understand their situation more. 

I’m happy for you to explain - and I’m sure they ‘love the sinner but not the sin’.  I’ve absolutely no time though for others decided what people they’ve never met can or can’t do within the bounds of the law and which hurts absolutely no-one.  ‘I don’t agree with gay marriage’ - fine; don’t do it then, and mind your own fucking business about what others do. 

[St. Maximin]

36 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m happy for you to explain - and I’m sure they ‘love the sinner but not the sin’.  I’ve absolutely no time though for others decided what people they’ve never met can or can’t do within the bounds of the law and which hurts absolutely no-one.  ‘I don’t agree with gay marriage’ - fine; don’t do it then, and mind your own fucking business about what others do. 

In Guehi’s case along with others I’m just still not sure why this has led to people making such inferences about what he thinks. Kimbo has summed it up well in saying he’s likely stuck between backward views from his environment and trying to be a good person (and let’s be honest, everything else we’ve seen suggests that’s what he is). It’s pretty clear to me he’s conflicted and also probably a bit stupid - but he’s a product of his upbringing and he sees the world differently, which could mean doing things that are unintentionally offensive. That doesn’t mean he hates gays, or even doesn’t love them - he might have different views on what’s right or wrong, but that’s not an attack on them as people. Say what you like about that (naturally I’m not a fan); it’s a common view in religious circles but most of them don’t get put in positions where they have to wear armbands so normally just stay quiet. And yeah I know the armband doesn’t mean an attack on religion, but some people interpret things in their own ways like with McLean and poppies etc. The key thing for me is while it’s a stupid move there’s no evidence of any malice and it’s not fair at all to make assumptions about what he meant, yet some people are keen to see the absolute worst. Ironically it’s clearly not a black and white issue. There’s a pretty big distinction between wanting people stoned for their sex lives and having a personal view over what is right and wrong, yet it seems to be like even the latter is unacceptable. We wouldn’t know what Guehi thinks if nobody asked him to wear an armband (and tbh, we still don’t really). 
 

More generally what I was saying about Christians (including I’m guessing Guehi) is they do love others but feel they have to follow biblical teachings, which includes saying certain behaviours are sins. And of course one of those is, unfortunately, homosexual sex. What you probably don’t hear is that they often hate how they have to think this and don’t want to hold such views, but feel they need to be consistent to the teachings (which now seem silly to me as an agnostic, but that’s not the point). That doesn’t mean they will treat gay people differently, claim they are inferior or any more sinful, or not stand up against homophobic abuse. Certainly from my experience the typical conservative Christian doesn’t actually care about someone else’s lifestyle; and tbh I see no evidence of that with Guehi here either. I had plenty of conversations with Christian friends over how conflicting these views were to them given the bible’s teachings on love, and a lot of them knew deep down it didn’t make sense, but that’s the cognitive dissonance of religion for you. I’m sure they’d be some of the first to defend their colleagues against homophobic bullying and for all we know so could Guehi. 

 

There’s of course been no shortage of truly horrendous homophobic Christians, but they don’t speak for Christians in general, or Guehi. 
 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:42 by St. Maximin

[Emotic]

Just realised that, other than the goal for us, he also "assisted the assist" by passing it to Lacroix in a very dangerous area. He'd be happy to join us if only to not have to play against us again. 

[Displayname]

Touchy subject, not really sure what to think about it. My grandparents were the kindest people I've ever know, but probably had some fucked up viewpoints due to their religious upbringing. Humans are complex and the ones without sin can throw the first stone and all that. 

If he was more outspoken about it I would have been more certain in my stance, but he was kinda backed into a corner on this one.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:56 by Displayname

[Gola]

FACT: Despite his name which sounds like 'gay he', he isn't actually gay.

 

OPINION: Maybe that's why he wrote all over his armband. 

[GEFAFWISP]

Just now, Gola said:

FACT: Despite his name which sounds like 'gay he', he isn't actually gay.

 

OPINION: Maybe that's why he wrote all over his armband. 

Living in denial of his nominative determinism. Embrace the gay...he.

[black_n_white]

I can see why Howe wants this guy. Can play left and right and as part of a back three. Good leadership qualities and can play out with the ball. I wouldn’t let our two games against them change the opinion on him. At the right price I can see us going back in during the summer.

[RodneyCisse]

Just now, black_n_white said:

I can see why Howe wants this guy. Can play left and right and as part of a back three. Good leadership qualities and can play out with the ball. I wouldn’t let our two games against them change the opinion on him. At the right price I can see us going back in during the summer.

If Howe still wants him, so do I. He’s won us a trophy and will win many more!

[Groundhog63]

46 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

If Howe still wants him, so do I. He’s won us a trophy and will win many more!

I'm at the point where, if Eddie Howe shat all over my lawn then told me to do shuttles between each turd dressed as Marylin Munroe, I would

[St. Maximin]

Ultimately it just seems a bit confusing to me if we welcome being owned by a country with explicitly oppressive views on homosexuality (among other things), but strongly reject buying a defender because he writes that he loves Jesus on a rainbow armband. 
 

Anyway sorry to get involved this again . I think Guehi is a very good defender and would be a great signing for us, though we’re at the point where our ageing defenders are still playing really well and Botman to come back, so might seem like we need to split the money across the team to provide more depth than necessarily a new starter. 

[Holloway]

[Jewel]

I dunno, man. I don't think the likes of Mbuemo, Guehi etc are going to take us to that next level that we want to go to, especially at the prices they will cost.

[TheBrownBottle]

25 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

Ultimately it just seems a bit confusing to me if we welcome being owned by a country with explicitly oppressive views on homosexuality 

I don’t welcome it, though. 

[Tiresias]

One of the things i love about us at the moment is how likeable we are as a squad. When I finally make it to a match next season with my boyfriend it would be nice if the squad was still as likeable but i have to admit would diminish that likeability somewhat if one of the team didn't want it publicly known that he thinks i am living in sin etc. Now I don't mean to go overboard with this, he is entitled to his views completely and I will give benefit of any doubt that he didn't mean to spread any hatred etc etc but he wants it to be known that he doesn't like me so I don't really think it's mad to be a bit ambivalent about him in return. Whatever happened to love thy neighbour and judge not lest thee be judged?

[St. Maximin]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t welcome it, though. 

Fair, but the fans did by and large encourage the takeover. 
 

Hope my summary above explained things . I see no evidence he’s being the awful human he’s been made out to be. 

[St. Maximin]

1 hour ago, Tiresias said:

One of the things i love about us at the moment is how likeable we are as a squad. When I finally make it to a match next season with my boyfriend it would be nice if the squad was still as likeable but i have to admit would diminish that likeability somewhat if one of the team didn't want it publicly known that he thinks i am living in sin etc. Now I don't mean to go overboard with this, he is entitled to his views completely and I will give benefit of any doubt that he didn't mean to spread any hatred etc etc but he wants it to be known that he doesn't like me so I don't really think it's mad to be a bit ambivalent about him in return. Whatever happened to love thy neighbour and judge not lest thee be judged?

Appreciate you’re approaching this fairly and it’s clearly a sensitive issue that I certainly don’t think Guehi has handled well. I sincerely hope the squad stays likeable when you guys get to watch them!
 

But how do you know he doesn’t like you mate? This is the point I’ve been trying to say and I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone to infer someone’s views are hateful because of a poorly thought out gesture. He might love everyone but feel he has to have certain views on what is right and wrong based on his (in our view, backward) environment that he’s been brought up in? It doesn’t mean he likes the LGBTQ community any less or not want them at their games, clubs etc. I know this sort of thing because it’s the environment I was in for over 20 years - typically loving and kind people who don’t dislike people because of their sexual orientation and think everyone including themselves are sinners. I appreciate the topic of gay marriage becomes very difficult here, so it ends up becoming conflicting to them and likely that’s happened with Guehi here. 
 

There are many Christians the above doesn’t apply to mind, but thankfully no evidence of that with Guehi. 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by St. Maximin

[Tiresias]

1 hour ago, St. Maximin said:

Appreciate you’re approaching this fairly and it’s clearly a sensitive issue that I certainly don’t think Guehi has handled well. I sincerely hope the squad stays likeable when you guys get to watch them!
 

But how do you know he doesn’t like you mate? This is the point I’ve been trying to say and I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone to infer someone’s views are hateful because of a poorly thought out gesture. He might love everyone but feel he has to have certain views on what is right and wrong based on his (in our view, backward) environment that he’s been brought up in? It doesn’t mean he likes the LGBTQ community any less or not want them at their games, clubs etc. I know this sort of thing because it’s the environment I was in for over 20 years - typically loving and kind people who don’t dislike people because of their sexual orientation and think everyone including themselves are sinners. I appreciate the topic of gay marriage becomes very difficult here, so it ends up becoming conflicting to them and likely that’s happened with Guehi here. 
 

There are many Christians the above doesn’t apply to mind, but thankfully no evidence of that with Guehi. 

 

 

 

 

You absolutely don't get to 'like' me and think me being gay is 'wrong'.  It's part of the package, and I find that view often expressed by people excusing their prejudices as religious objections, that they 'love' someone, not their 'sexuality' or anything and it's an insidious work around to pretend that 'loving and accepting others' is an easy thing that requires no effort or empathy on someones part, it just becomes merely to patronize. There is a fundamental dishonesty at work there just the same as those racists who have one non-white friend at work whom they will insist is "alright". If someone thinks my sexuality is immoral that's fine that's your imperative, but don't sit here and pretend your hatred of it is 'love' in disguise because if they did they'd have to have a hard look at their own value system to acknowledge you hate someone and if they've read the bible cover to cover and think that's the message it's sending fine, it's all open to interpretation, but don't put a smile on and think they can be friends with me while holding that view. 

 

People can bring up 'gay marriage' as an issue as if that's a policy thing, but again if there wasn't any hate where is all the campaigning against atheists getting married, or indeed people of other religions getting married? And lets spell out, if they don't want me to get gay married they are saying I don't deserve to have my long term partner by my hospital bed when i'm dying, don't deserve to have all those legal rights, my love is lesser than an atheist marrying a jewish person or something?

 

Again really, everyone is absolutely entitled to hold whatever views, but I am also free to not want to smile and make nice with someone who thinks i am lesser no matter if it is couched in 'niceness'. I love going to football matches, I do not confirm to the stereotype of a gay person so I can be fairly unnoticed in that crowd. My partner is too, so I'm not concerned about attending games, but it still meant a lot when i walked into the ground and there was a rainbow flag waving in the gallogate. Seeing their players with rainbow armbands may seem like nothing but could be important to some frightened 14 year old growing up in a macho strict family. All to same, it matters. 

 

I also do agree that i don't know enough about Guehi's viewpoint. I will give any benefit of the doubt if he ever clarifies or anything, it's not me trying to get him removed from polite society, i do not resent him enjoying a good career, i dont think anyone signing him is acting immorally, it's just at present not in danger of being a player i love

 

(edited to change general 'you to they as i accidently made it sound targeted which wasn't meant)

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Tiresias

[ryanegg]

He's sticking to his beliefs. He's not preaching hatred. Some people might not agree with his beliefs, but that is life. You cannot please everyone.

[Weezertron]

What he did with his armband is like a religious person inviting an atheist mate to a church service. But the Atheist can't help but wear a tshirt with a slogan that suggests god doesn't exist. 

 

It's just weird shitty behaviour. I don't believe in god, but if a friend really wanted me to experience something, I'd go and I wouldn't be a prick about it. 

 

That's how I see it. You can see it differently. 

[MagPar]

My wee brother* is married to a man so burn all homophobes I say. 

 

He was a wee slut before getting married so I'm hoping they don't have one of those open marriages.