NUFC specific FFP/PSR discussion

[ToonAbroad]

It's Monday morning so I've been procrastinating as there's something I've seen mentioned a fair bit but never broken down - how much of each player's transfer fee is still costing us each year in PSR amortisation terms. I'm no expert whatsoever in this field, but I've done some research as to each players impact in terms of the initial reported fee and remaining contract length. Players who have extended their contracts will have 'paid off' more of their transfer fee, so these have been reduced - the later into their initial contract that they signed an extension (or multiple extensions), the bigger the reduction in PSR impact. This was done purely for my own amusement but figured it might be interesting to some of you to share - obviously this doesn't include wages, but you could see for example how a contract extension to Tino, Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Botman or Isak(!!) could pay off in terms of total PSR impact - depending on how big the wage increase would be, of course. Anyway, back to work.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, ToonAbroad said:

It's Monday morning so I've been procrastinating as there's something I've seen mentioned a fair bit but never broken down - how much of each player's transfer fee is still costing us each year in PSR amortisation terms. I'm no expert whatsoever in this field, but I've done some research as to each players impact in terms of the initial reported fee and remaining contract length. Players who have extended their contracts will have 'paid off' more of their transfer fee, so these have been reduced - the later into their initial contract that they signed an extension (or multiple extensions), the bigger the reduction in PSR impact. This was done purely for my own amusement but figured it might be interesting to some of you to share - obviously this doesn't include wages, but you could see for example how a contract extension to Tino, Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Botman or Isak(!!) could pay off in terms of total PSR impact - depending on how big the wage increase would be, of course. Anyway, back to work.

Looks about right based on the club’s accounts

[Ben]

I wonder what Man Utd's would look like ?

[BennyBlanco]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

I wonder what Man Utd's would look like ?

 

However they want it to. They won’t ever be pulled on it. £40m losses for covid when everyone else was in 7 figures. Never pulled on it. Massive debt, never pulled on it. Owner is allowed to plough money in with no repercussions or word said on it. 
 

Whole thing is a fuckin joke

[NWMag]

1 hour ago, ToonAbroad said:

It's Monday morning so I've been procrastinating as there's something I've seen mentioned a fair bit but never broken down - how much of each player's transfer fee is still costing us each year in PSR amortisation terms. I'm no expert whatsoever in this field, but I've done some research as to each players impact in terms of the initial reported fee and remaining contract length. Players who have extended their contracts will have 'paid off' more of their transfer fee, so these have been reduced - the later into their initial contract that they signed an extension (or multiple extensions), the bigger the reduction in PSR impact. This was done purely for my own amusement but figured it might be interesting to some of you to share - obviously this doesn't include wages, but you could see for example how a contract extension to Tino, Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Botman or Isak(!!) could pay off in terms of total PSR impact - depending on how big the wage increase would be, of course. Anyway, back to work.

It’s interesting, you’d like to think that for the ones nearer the top of that list, that any wage increase would be (mostly) offset by the increase in contract length. 

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, ToonAbroad said:

It's Monday morning so I've been procrastinating as there's something I've seen mentioned a fair bit but never broken down - how much of each player's transfer fee is still costing us each year in PSR amortisation terms. I'm no expert whatsoever in this field, but I've done some research as to each players impact in terms of the initial reported fee and remaining contract length. Players who have extended their contracts will have 'paid off' more of their transfer fee, so these have been reduced - the later into their initial contract that they signed an extension (or multiple extensions), the bigger the reduction in PSR impact. This was done purely for my own amusement but figured it might be interesting to some of you to share - obviously this doesn't include wages, but you could see for example how a contract extension to Tino, Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Botman or Isak(!!) could pay off in terms of total PSR impact - depending on how big the wage increase would be, of course. Anyway, back to work.

Got my own spreadsheet for this - we’re pretty close for the calcs, think most of the differences are from reported fees. Yours is 99.47, mine was 99.

[Rich]

[Nucasol]

Just now, Rich said:

[ToonAbroad]

8 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Got my own spreadsheet for this - we’re pretty close for the calcs, think most of the differences are from reported fees. Yours is 99.47, mine was 99.

Given I half-arsed it from the first Google results I saw & guessed where 'add-ons' were also involved, I'll take a 0.47 difference! 

Edit - oh, and Euro to Sterling conversions too were pretty generic.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2025 by ToonAbroad

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, ToonAbroad said:

It's Monday morning so I've been procrastinating as there's something I've seen mentioned a fair bit but never broken down - how much of each player's transfer fee is still costing us each year in PSR amortisation terms. I'm no expert whatsoever in this field, but I've done some research as to each players impact in terms of the initial reported fee and remaining contract length. Players who have extended their contracts will have 'paid off' more of their transfer fee, so these have been reduced - the later into their initial contract that they signed an extension (or multiple extensions), the bigger the reduction in PSR impact. This was done purely for my own amusement but figured it might be interesting to some of you to share - obviously this doesn't include wages, but you could see for example how a contract extension to Tino, Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Botman or Isak(!!) could pay off in terms of total PSR impact - depending on how big the wage increase would be, of course. Anyway, back to work.

We should include rumoured wages. 

[ToonAbroad]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

We should include rumoured wages. 

 

Crack on 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, ToonAbroad said:

 

Crack on 

I shant. But if you want to create a manual view of PSR costs, you need a view of wages otherwise you are missing 40-60% of the costs.

[ToonAbroad]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I shant. But if you want to create a manual view of PSR costs, you need a view of wages otherwise you are missing 40-60% of the costs.

Of course, was never my intention - but if I get bored this week maybe I will. Was more to see the impact on contract extensions in terms of existing outstanding transfer fees & who's currently hitting this the hardest. Maybe I'll create an editable sheet online or something.

[JT24]

2 minutes ago, ToonAbroad said:

Of course, was never my intention - but if I get bored this week maybe I will. Was more to see the impact on contract extensions in terms of existing outstanding transfer fees & who's currently hitting this the hardest. Maybe I'll create an editable sheet online or something.

https://valuball.co/Newcastle/Squad-Wage-Details
 

This might help. 

[ToonAbroad]

6 minutes ago, JT24 said:

https://valuball.co/Newcastle/Squad-Wage-Details
 

This might help. 

Damn, that would have been much quicker for the transfer fees! Not sure I trust that Bruno is on £280k per week or Lascelles is on £93k per week though, to name 2 examples.

[JT24]

Just now, ToonAbroad said:

Damn, that would have been much quicker for the transfer fees! Not sure I trust that Bruno is on £280k per week or Lascelles is on £93k per week though, to name 2 examples.

I think it’s meant to be a rough estimate given the clubs annual wage bill. Probably includes base + bonuses?
 

Backed by Kieran Maguire so I have no reason not to trust it. 

[ChrisMcQuillan]

2 minutes ago, ToonAbroad said:

Damn, that would have been much quicker for the transfer fees! Not sure I trust that Bruno is on £280k per week or Lascelles is on £93k per week though, to name 2 examples.

Or Seung-Soo Park on >£100k per week.  

[The College Dropout]

Best view of contract is what reputable sources quote when signing or announcing an extension e.g. The Athletic, BBC, Telegraph etc.

[timeEd32]

22 minutes ago, JT24 said:

I think it’s meant to be a rough estimate given the clubs annual wage bill. Probably includes base + bonuses?
 

Backed by Kieran Maguire so I have no reason not to trust it. 

 

There are obviously some made up, but I think the most common reason for discrepancies in the wages is when they are inclusive of bonuses vs. not. It can also be helpful to check what they were on previously and just see if it passes a reality check.

[Sibierski]

Trying to focus on positives moving forward, if we signed a striker for £65m, how much PSR headroom do we have moving forward for summer 2026 before sales?

 

Based on us making UCL First Knock Out rounds, and qualifying for lowest form of European competition next season?

[Casey]

Just now, Sibierski said:

Trying to focus on positives moving forward, if we signed a striker for £65m, how much PSR headroom do we have moving forward for summer 2026 before sales?

 

Based on us making UCL First Knock Out rounds, and qualifying for lowest form of European competition next season?

Thinking about Summer 2026 already? You a masochist pal? 

 

As per, there's no real knowledge on the PSR situation. We should have approaching £90m from Isak though iirc

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Just now, Sibierski said:

Trying to focus on positives moving forward, if we signed a striker for £65m, how much PSR headroom do we have moving forward for summer 2026 before sales?

 

Based on us making UCL First Knock Out rounds, and qualifying for lowest form of European competition next season?

So many more factors that play a part in that, is our commercial income continuing to grow 30% year on year etc etc …. The Isak sale definitely isn’t going to hurt us in that regard though. Especially if we get another striker which will have taken our spending to roughly £250m this summer

[Rich]

Anyone who's thorough and knows their shit fancy having a crack at what the Isak sale actually means for PSR?

[gbandit]

4 minutes ago, Rich said:

Anyone who's thorough and knows their shit fancy having a crack at what the Isak sale actually means for PSR?

@timeEd32 or @r0cafella

[Nucasol]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

Anyone who's thorough and knows their shit fancy having a crack at what the Isak sale actually means for PSR?

The problem is the wages component. We can have a good go at the fees and come in quite close to annual amortisation costs of the player asset side but the wage costs are such an unknown.