Yoane Wissa

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

And those played that you mention don't become the players they appear at your Brentfords by sitting on the benches of the bigger clubs so they?

 

They're just as likely to turn into your Vincent Janssens, Hojlunds, Batshuayis. All players who in their day match the sort you crave here now. 

 

 

Really?

 

So in that case why bother at all. Then no one really has any right to complain or have any concerns with how things are going.

 

Keep wheelling out the likes of Willock, Trippier and Murphy, and having no viable backup for Hall at left back.

 

What kind of players do you think we should be signing to improve the squad depth then?!!!

[Guillaume]

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

If we'd signed Brobbey there'd have been hell on and rightly so.

He's your typical relegation fighting striker - a lump who's a handful. Most defences won't be too concerned, ours again looked atrocious against him.

 

6 goals all season he's got.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Guillaume

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

 

Really?

 

So in that case why bother at all. Then no one really has any right to complain or have any concerns with how things are going.

 

Keep wheelling out the likes of Willock, Trippier and Murphy, and having no viable backup for Hall at left back.

 

What kind of players do you think we should be signing to improve the squad depth then?!!!

 

Oof, 3 exclamation marks? You mean business this morning.

 

That's not my job, but I'm sick of your high & mighty, cocky approach to this, "let's get these players before they go to team x" for example. Very few players make that jump from where they are to the big clubs and slot in. 

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Oof, 3 exclamation marks? You mean business this morning.

 

That's not my job, but I'm sick of your high & mighty, cocky approach to this, "let's get these players before they go to team x" for example. Very few players make that jump from where they are to the big clubs and slot in. 

 

 

There's nothing high and mighty or cocky about it.

 

With PSR restrictions there's literally no other option.

 

No idea why this conversation is triggering you, but whatever. I give up.

[Optimistic Nut]

24 minutes ago, Guillaume said:

He's your typical relegation fighting striker - a lump who's a handful. Most defences won't be too concerned, ours again looked atrocious against him.

 

6 goals all season he's got.

 

 

 

 

Didn't see much of him until Botman went off. 

[Monters]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

It honestly feels like people don't bother reading posts properly.

 

The point was that when we already had Isak, we should have been looking at a younger player that was over performing in another league, and showing a lot of promise, to bring in as his backup instead of relying on Wilson, who was already always getting injured.

 

Thiago fell into that category at Brugge as did Strand Larsen at Celta Vigo. They both cost around £25 million I believe. Instead they went to Brentford and Wolves respectively while we were fast asleep. 

 

These are the sorts we should have been targeting to improve squad depth and if they didn't work out they can be moved on fairly easily without much of a loss if any at all, and you go and look at other options again.

 

Up until now we still don't do this well at all, and are still using the likes of Trippier who will probably get a new contract. Same with Murphy still  being here.

In essence there's not a lot to argue with but it is not always as cut and dried as made out via hindsight, as Spurs found out for years it is tough to sign a decent striker when you're current striker is one of the best around.  Would they have been keen to come to effectively sit on the bench, maybe, maybe not and as another poster mentioned would they have improved in the same way playing less than they have for the other teams?

I do take your point that they could have been flipped potentially and we aren't great at that but we still have a lot of posters lamenting the Minteh deal.

Also the club did try this approach with Osula with not that much success, is he as good as the players mention possibly not but he was the young backup striker they chose.

In many ways I'm not disagreeing but like a lot of posters you seem to suggest it is very easy to get this right but keep adding a dose of hindsight in there, I'm simply trying to play devils advocate.   

[KaKa]

19 minutes ago, Monters said:

In essence there's not a lot to argue with but it is not always as cut and dried as made out via hindsight, as Spurs found out for years it is tough to sign a decent striker when you're current striker is one of the best around.  Would they have been keen to come to effectively sit on the bench, maybe, maybe not and as another poster mentioned would they have improved in the same way playing less than they have for the other teams?

I do take your point that they could have been flipped potentially and we aren't great at that but we still have a lot of posters lamenting the Minteh deal.

Also the club did try this approach with Osula with not that much success, is he as good as the players mention possibly not but he was the young backup striker they chose.

In many ways I'm not disagreeing but like a lot of posters you seem to suggest it is very easy to get this right but keep adding a dose of hindsight in there, I'm simply trying to play devils advocate.   

 

Igor Thiago was starting every week at Brugge and scored 18 league goals. Strand Larsen was starting every week and was top scorer for Ceta Vigo in la Liga with 13 goals I think it was. Thiago was 22 Strand Larsen was 23.

 

They are not turning down a move to Newcastle because they won't be starting every game. They are also nothing like Osula who has never started upfront for a full season anywhere. He has zero experience of consistent first team football.

 

Even when Prem experienced players are available for decent value we still don't seem to be ready to move. Sarr was available from Marseille and had previously showed flashes at Watford in the Prem. He went to Palace for £12.5 million in 2024 and was just 26 years old. He's done well at Palace, helped them win the FA cup. Meanwhile our options on the right at the time he signed for Palace were Almiron and Murphy, and we've since spent £55 million on Elanga.

 

 

Edited March 23 by KaKa

[DevonGeordie]

I know one thing for sure.

 

Wissa is fucking shite. 

[Monters]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Igor Thiago was starting every week at Brugge and scored 18 league goals. Strand Larsen was starting every week and was top scorer for Ceta Vigo in la Liga with 13 goals I think it was. Thiago was 22 Strand Larsen was 23.

 

They are not turning down a move to Newcastle because they won't be starting every game. They are also nothing like Osula who has never started upfront for a full season anywhere. He has zero experience of consistent first team football.

 

Even when Prem experienced players are available for decent value we still don't seem to be ready to move. Sarr was available from Marseille and had previously showed flashes at Watford in the Prem. He went to Palace for £12.5 million in 2024 and was just 26 years old. He's done well at Palace, helped them win the FA cup. Meanwhile our options on the right at the time he signed for Palace were Almiron and Murphy, and we've since spent £55 million on Elanga.

 

 

 

Like I said, not disagreeing, just pointing out it's not as cut and dried as you make out and the improvement in the player may not have been as dramatic in a more pressurized environment and playing less games.  I know the price was a big factor but people weren't overly keen on signing Larsen in the summer based on ability as well. 

"They are not turning down a move to Newcastle because they won't be starting every game" they may do if the aim is to get into the premier league and move upwards... that appears to the sales pitch the Brentford et al seem to be using, albeit very effectively

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Monters said:

Like I said, not disagreeing, just pointing out it's not as cut and dried as you make out and the improvement in the player may not have been as dramatic in a more pressurized environment and playing less games.  I know the price was a big factor but people weren't overly keen on signing Larsen in the summer based on ability as well. 

"They are not turning down a move to Newcastle because they won't be starting every game" they may do if the aim is to get into the premier league and move upwards... that appears to the sales pitch the Brentford et al seem to be using, albeit very effectively

 

We've been a European team. There's more than enough games to play. We keep falling out of Europe the following season because the depth is so poor.

 

I'm just not convinced it is that hard finding better options than Willock, Murphy and a 35 year old Trippier, that won't cost a bunch of money because they have to be starring in the Prem already.

 

Out of interest what kind of players do you then think Newcastle at their current level should be signing as squad players?

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

What if we'd got Wissa before Brentford? Would he have been the same player here? Or is Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Sunderland the level for this sort of player?

He would've cost <£10m and it wouldn't have been a major deal if things didn't work out.

[Optimistic Nut]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He would've cost <£10m and it wouldn't have been a major deal if things didn't work out.

 

We'd also finish nowhere near where we have the last 3 years.

[Monters]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

We've been a European team. There's more than enough games to play. We keep falling out of Europe the following season because the depth is so poor.

 

I'm just not convinced it is that hard finding better options than Willock, Murphy and a 35 year old Trippier, that won't cost a bunch of money because they have to be starring in the Prem already.

 

Out of interest what kind of players do you then think Newcastle at their current level should be signing as squad players?

Honestly mate - I'm really not disagreeing I just don't think it's as easy as some posters on here make out, especially as we can use hindsight and like tv pundits our opinions are never truly tested.

You seem to watch a lot more football across Europe than I do these days and often champion players I am unaware which is helpful in the main to people like and to repeat again I'm rubbishing your view, just disagreeing with how you occasionally present...  

As I've admitted in other threads, I was really pleased when we signed Wissa so my opinion is certainly not bullet proof! 

To move it forward - who do you fancy to sign in the summer to score goals? Lots of gaps in the team granted but as proven with he who should not be named a quality striker hides a lot of problems

[KaKa]

26 minutes ago, Monters said:

Honestly mate - I'm really not disagreeing I just don't think it's as easy as some posters on here make out, especially as we can use hindsight and like tv pundits our opinions are never truly tested.

You seem to watch a lot more football across Europe than I do these days and often champion players I am unaware which is helpful in the main to people like and to repeat again I'm rubbishing your view, just disagreeing with how you occasionally present...  

As I've admitted in other threads, I was really pleased when we signed Wissa so my opinion is certainly not bullet proof! 

To move it forward - who do you fancy to sign in the summer to score goals? Lots of gaps in the team granted but as proven with he who should not be named a quality striker hides a lot of problems

 

This really has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is. It's just something that has to be done to improve the squad. We don't really have any other choice.

 

Only looking at Prem proven players is going to cost too much and the money is not going to stretch far enough. This is what the issue has been with improving the squad on the whole IMO.

 

It's either we go down that route of looking at promising players elsewhere that are easier to get fee wise, doing the best the club can manage and try to constantly improve in that area, or they just keep complaining about PSR and bouncing in and out of Europe and relying on the likes of Willock, Murphy and Trippier for longer.

 

It's not about the approach being guaranteed to be perfect every time, but surely it's worth a try at least. Otherwise the team is stuck right now and there isn't going to be much more room for a chance at improving it.

 

 

Edited March 23 by KaKa

[HMSIllustrious]

I‘d aim for more Bundesliga players. Not the big money signings (Sancho, Mkitharyan, Kagawa, Wirtz types) but rather raw talent (Sane, Boateng) or players that are under the radar (Stach, Groß, Mateta). They should be rather inexpensive, have some decent level of English, can culturally adapt in no time and are not known for being problematic characters.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

4 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

It's not really about Brobey per se. It's about the profile of signing. If Brobbey offends you then you can look at Thiago before he joined Brentford or Strand Larsen before he goes to Wolves.

 

I'm sure they'd love to sign those two now and shell out over £50 million. When they were both moving for around £25 million and could be brought in initially as younger squad players to backup Isak, when Wilson was falling apart, what were we doing?

 

 

 

Little binary, he probably wanted to play football, wage demands of squad players vs first team players. 
 

I do think other clubs signing x player and they’ve done well so why don’t we kind of ignores the fact that we’ve made a lot of good signings and that there’s a lot of overlooked nuance to these situations. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Anyway Wissa has been the worst buy. Paid for goals got next to no goals from him. If he’d have got ten this season we’d be looking a lot better.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Shays Given Tim Flowers

[CallumG6]

Problem is, he got off on the completely wrong foot with us by acting the cunt with Brentford. 
 

A shit move considering that attitude hits so close to home with us after the Swede did it.

[HayDen Traces]

Did we take out the extended warranty on this mess? 

[Lush Vlad]

4 hours ago, Si67 said:

And Beto v Everton 

 

Brobbey, Thiago and Beto have all caused us no end of bother.  Beto last season and this.  Probably some more I've missed, too?  

 

Seems our super tight, very aggressive marking of forwards and following them all over the pitch man to man.  Can get massively exposed by clever movement like against Barca.  But also against big old units like those mentioned. 

[kingxlnc]

With a wissa bit of luck we can get rid of this shite

Holler with the rinsin' sound

 

 

[Weezertron]

Ever lost a £20 note on a night out, and it still irks you a decade on.

 

Thats what this bloke is gonna be.

[Sir Joel Inton]

2 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Anyway Wissa has been the worst buy. Paid for goals got next to no goals from him. If he’d have got ten this season we’d be looking a lot better.

 

 

 

 

He has to be on the pitch to score goals. He has more league goals this season than Elanga (1 vs. 0) but despite that, in the last 9 games they’ve been available for selection, Wissa has 202 minutes, Elanga has 557.

 

Nobody can convince me that Wissa would have a worse return than Elanga if he was given the same opportunities.

 

In his last 4 games, Wissa has not been on the pitch for longer than 28 minutes at a time. Strikers will rarely impact games used like that. That includes, by the way, the home tie against Qarabag where there was no reason not to start him.

 

In the absence of any credible reports on his attitude, it’s astounding we’re refusing to use him.

[nufcjmc]

2 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

He has to be on the pitch to score goals. He has more league goals this season than Elanga (1 vs. 0) but despite that, in the last 9 games they’ve been available for selection, Wissa has 202 minutes, Elanga has 557.

 

Nobody can convince me that Wissa would have a worse return than Elanga if he was given the same opportunities.

 

In his last 4 games, Wissa has not been on the pitch for longer than 28 minutes at a time. Strikers will rarely impact games used like that. That includes, by the way, the home tie against Qarabag where there was no reason not to start him.

 

In the absence of any credible reports on his attitude, it’s astounding we’re refusing to use him.

I guess Murphy has had his injury issues which Howe has confirmed he was having his minutes managed and Gordon having to go in the middle meaning we have had to play Elanga to give a rotation option as Barnes needed to stay on the left. 

 

I do agree its all very strange and without the full picture comes across as quite harsh however Howe sees him in training if he's not right either in effort or following instruction or just doesn't appear to "get it" chewing gum and having a laugh with the lads but not much else then Howe isn't the type to publicly name and shame him he just wont pick him. 

 

You cant say the team hasn't needed a striker or that we have had many working options so to not play him despite being fit for over 3 months does mean you have to think something has gone wrong. 

 

quotes from back in December seem to suggest he came back ready to go https://onefootball.com/en/news/newcastle-united-players-have-been-impressed-with-what-they-have-seen-from-yoane-wissa-in-training-42036583

 

[TK-421]

Because I had nowt better to do, here are Wissa's appearances since he came back from injury (courtesy of NUFC.com)...

Burnley H (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 74mins

Bayer Lev A (CL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 93mins

Mackems A (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 75mins

Fulham H (PL) – Starts, Scores, subbed off for Woltemade at 72mins

Chelsea H (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 73mins

Man Utd A (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 68mins

Burnley A (PL) – Starts, Scores, subbed off for Woltemade at 80mins

Palace H (PL) – Starts, subbed off for Woltemade at 78mins

Leeds H (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 75mins

Bournemouth H (FAC) – Starts alongside Woltemade, subbed off at 69mins

Man City H (LC1) – Starts, subbed off for Woltemade at 69mins

Wolves A (PL) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 67mins

PSV H (CL) – Starts, Scores, subbed off for Woltemade at 72mins

Villa H (PL) – Starts, subbed off for Woltemade at 62mins

PSG A (CL) - Sub, on for Woltemade at 79mins

Liverpool A (PL) - Sub, on for Barnes at 73mins

Man City H (LC2) – Sub, on for Woltemade at 46mins

Brentford H (PL) – Starts, subbed off for Osula on 65mins

Spurs A (PL) – Sub, unused

Villa A (FAC) – Not in squad

Carrierbag A (CLPO1) – Not in squad

Man City A (PL) – Not in squad

Carrierbag H (CLPO2) – Sub, on for Osula at 73mins

Everton H (PL) – Sub, on for Tripper at 75mins

Man Utd H (PL) – Sub, unused

Barcelona H (CL) – Sub, unused

Man City H (FAC) – Sub, on for Osula at 63mins

Chelsea A (PL) – Sub, unused

Barcelona A (CL) – Sub, unused

Mackems H (PL) – Sub, unused

Most of the time when sub, he's come on for Woltemade, but something seems to have happened of late, as he's basically an unused sub in 5 of last 6 matches.

 

 

Edited March 23 by TK-421