Nick Woltemade

[Holloway]

9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

A deep-lying centre forward isn’t a ‘10’ or a playmaker.

 

Woltemade has shown practically nothing to suggest he’s a playmaker. 

let's not get bogged down in terminology, he looks more like a 10 than a 9 to me. Ok, playmaker isn't the correct term, but I said a good while ago he reminds me of a Teddy Sheringham type. Who does he remind you of?

[Lush Vlad]

8 hours ago, Hudson said:

I’m sorry like, but that ain’t fashion. 
As for veganism, fuckingbsaladmunchers. Just look at its top participates Madonna, Chris “vanilla”Martin. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know you’re half taking the piss here. But people who get bent out of shape about veganism always make me laugh. 
 

Like most say they care about animal welfare and cruelty, the environment, not eating food pumped full of unnatural shit. Yet they also see vegans as lepers  

 

I’m anything but a vegan. I’ve tried to eat less meat at times across a week or a month. I’ve failed miserably every time. I do still try and buy decent quality meat with high welfare standards and I don’t really eat pork through choice. But that’s about it. 
 

I admire them, if anything. Takes a lot of discipline and research to eat right like that all the time. Unless they’re one of the militant, preachy, sanctimonious ones. But that applies to a lot of things. Religion, atheism, politics, half the posters on here etc  

 

Anyway, back to Big Nick. He looks like he needs a good steak dinner…..  

[enthusiast]

The vegan patter is absolute shite, like. 

[Groundhog63]

Nowt wrong with being vegan, tbf.

 

In fact anyone who has a serious beef (🤔) with veganism is weird in my book. Unhinged, even.

[La Parka]

Vegan gang rise up

[Loki679]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

I know you’re half taking the piss here. But people who get bent out of shape about veganism always make me laugh. 
 

Like most say they care about animal welfare and cruelty, the environment, not eating food pumped full of unnatural shit. Yet they also see vegans as lepers  

 

I’m anything but a vegan. I’ve tried to eat less meat at times across a week or a month. I’ve failed miserably every time. I do still try and buy decent quality meat with high welfare standards and I don’t really eat pork through choice. But that’s about it. 
 

I admire them, if anything. Takes a lot of discipline and research to eat right like that all the time. Unless they’re one of the militant, preachy, sanctimonious ones. But that applies to a lot of things. Religion, atheism, politics, half the posters on here etc  

 

Anyway, back to Big Nick. He looks like he needs a good steak dinner…..  

 

Dunno why anyone gives a shit what someone else eats.  It's a bit weird

 

Note:  This does not apply to the 'What are you Eating?' thread which is totally normal and cool.

[Coffee_Johnny]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

I know you’re half taking the piss here. But people who get bent out of shape about veganism always make me laugh. 
 

Like most say they care about animal welfare and cruelty, the environment, not eating food pumped full of unnatural shit. Yet they also see vegans as lepers  

 

I’m anything but a vegan. I’ve tried to eat less meat at times across a week or a month. I’ve failed miserably every time. I do still try and buy decent quality meat with high welfare standards and I don’t really eat pork through choice. But that’s about it. 
 

I admire them, if anything. Takes a lot of discipline and research to eat right like that all the time. Unless they’re one of the militant, preachy, sanctimonious ones. But that applies to a lot of things. Religion, atheism, politics, half the posters on here etc  

 

Anyway, back to Big Nick. He looks like he needs a good steak dinner…..  

Gave it a go for a few months, food wise not clobber, and I lost a lot of muscle. That said I paid zero attention to making sure I made up for the absence of meat and dairy. 

[TaylorJ_01]

I am amazed he is a professional footballer and 6ft 4, but is vegan. No wonder he's a big long weak dork sometimes.

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 minute ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

I am amazed he is a professional footballer and 6ft 4, but is vegan. No wonder he's a big long weak dork sometimes.

6’ 6”. 

[Jack14Bojangles]

Article from KICKER, Germany's leading sports magazine:
Benchmarked despite kind words: When will Woltemade's slump end?

 

After his sensational start at Newcastle, Nick Woltemade has experienced a slump. Manager Eddie Howe defends his striker, but is nevertheless increasingly leaving him out of the squad.

 

Nick Woltemade didn't have much time to acclimatize. Nor did he seem to need it, at least not immediately after his move from VfB Stuttgart to Newcastle. "I was only here for four days, so everything was new to me. The manager made me feel comfortable," he said after the 1-0 win against Wolverhampton, his first game for the Magpies in mid-September. "I felt good on the pitch and knew what I had to do."

 

Namely, scoring goals – Woltemade netted the only one of the match. The English tabloids immediately dubbed the 1.98-meter-tall striker a "Rudi Völler on stilts." Thanks to further solid performances, including a stunning backheel goal in mid-October against Brighton (1-2), the hype lasted for quite some time; he even got his own fan song. Five goals in the first eight competitive matches was certainly more than respectable, especially for a Premier League newcomer with a €75 million transfer fee. He responded to his unfortunate own goal in the derby against Sunderland (0-1) with a brace in the 2-2 draw against Chelsea just before Christmas. And, as a bonus, he showered the fans with kisses after their support following the previous week's mishap.

 

But a sense of disillusionment has now settled over St. James' Park. The 23-year-old hasn't scored since then, and Woltemade has now gone nine games without finding the net. The former Stuttgart player is increasingly relegated to the role of substitute, as was the case last Sunday when he came on in the 62nd minute of the 2-0 defeat against Aston Villa and made little impact. As a result, critical voices regarding the striker are gradually growing louder. "He has posed no threat whatsoever during his time on the pitch," wrote The Northern Echo, while the BBC finds his poor record "increasingly worrying."

 

Not so for Eddie Howe, or so he claims. "Nick is playing well, there are no issues with his overall performance. He's impressed me in recent weeks," said the Newcastle manager, who nevertheless only started him twice in the last seven competitive matches and has now left Woltemade out of the starting eleven for the second consecutive game. Just last week, Howe had praised his protégé's versatility: "He can play as a number nine, he can play as a number ten, he can play anywhere and in any attacking position. He's very flexible." Woltemade is the "exact opposite" of Yoane Wissa, who prefers to play further forward. The center forward, also signed in the summer for €57.5 million from Brentford, was not much of a competitor for the German for a long time; due to a knee injury, Wissa only made his Newcastle debut on December 6. He contributed a goal and an assist to last week's Champions League victory against PSV Eindhoven (3-0) and was also given the nod against Villa.

 

The question remains whether Howe will find a place for Woltemade on Wednesday when Newcastle face Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League group stage, vying for direct qualification to the round of 16. The coach also called on the team to help Woltemade get back into form. He wants his striker to "get more chances," meaning "more assists from the team for him." Should Woltemade fail to score against PSG, he can at least catch up with an old acquaintance a few days later who has already overcome his goal drought. Next Saturday, Newcastle will visit Liverpool, home to Woltemade's German national teammate Florian Wirtz. The former Leverkusen player needed a whopping 23 competitive appearances before finally scoring for the Reds.

[ExiledGeordie]

1 hour ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

I am amazed he is a professional footballer and 6ft 4, but is vegan. No wonder he's a big long weak dork sometimes.

Loads of athletes are plant based thesedays, maybe more so towards endurance sports but loads have gone plant based. I’ll always fancy a proper burger or fry up though 😂

[TK-421]

2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Loads of athletes are plant based thesedays, maybe more so towards endurance sports but loads have gone plant based. I’ll always fancy a proper burger or fry up though 😂

We had a plant-based 'head coach' once.

 

 

Edited January 27 by TK-421

[ExiledGeordie]

14 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

We had a plant-based 'head coach' once.

 

 

 

😂

[TheBrownBottle]

15 hours ago, Holloway said:

let's not get bogged down in terminology, he looks more like a 10 than a 9 to me. Ok, playmaker isn't the correct term, but I said a good while ago he reminds me of a Teddy Sheringham type. Who does he remind you of?

Sheringham was a good centre forward with a centre forward’s instinct - he knew where the net was.  He could play as a second striker but didn’t ever look as lacking in the desire to get into the box.  Woltemade doesn’t remind me of Sheringham tbh.

 

I was only half-joking with the Ameobi comparison.  The lad really reminds me of Ameobi at present - a big lad who doesn’t seem to have any strength; technically capable yet lacking in hunger and desire.  He came in and did a Cisse - everything he hit went in.  The lad doesn’t appear to want to shoot, let alone score.  I don’t think it is just the system at the moment.  If I had to say ‘which PL striker is Woltemade most like’, I don’t know - Jan Age Fjortoft?  A poor man’s Tore Andre Flo?  I can’t imagine any top side queing for his signature at present.  Hopefully the lad kicks on, but I’m not looking at £63m of striking talent at present. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Jack14Bojangles said:

Article from KICKER, Germany's leading sports magazine:
Benchmarked despite kind words: When will Woltemade's slump end?

 

After his sensational start at Newcastle, Nick Woltemade has experienced a slump. Manager Eddie Howe defends his striker, but is nevertheless increasingly leaving him out of the squad.

 

Nick Woltemade didn't have much time to acclimatize. Nor did he seem to need it, at least not immediately after his move from VfB Stuttgart to Newcastle. "I was only here for four days, so everything was new to me. The manager made me feel comfortable," he said after the 1-0 win against Wolverhampton, his first game for the Magpies in mid-September. "I felt good on the pitch and knew what I had to do."

 

Namely, scoring goals – Woltemade netted the only one of the match. The English tabloids immediately dubbed the 1.98-meter-tall striker a "Rudi Völler on stilts." Thanks to further solid performances, including a stunning backheel goal in mid-October against Brighton (1-2), the hype lasted for quite some time; he even got his own fan song. Five goals in the first eight competitive matches was certainly more than respectable, especially for a Premier League newcomer with a €75 million transfer fee. He responded to his unfortunate own goal in the derby against Sunderland (0-1) with a brace in the 2-2 draw against Chelsea just before Christmas. And, as a bonus, he showered the fans with kisses after their support following the previous week's mishap.

 

But a sense of disillusionment has now settled over St. James' Park. The 23-year-old hasn't scored since then, and Woltemade has now gone nine games without finding the net. The former Stuttgart player is increasingly relegated to the role of substitute, as was the case last Sunday when he came on in the 62nd minute of the 2-0 defeat against Aston Villa and made little impact. As a result, critical voices regarding the striker are gradually growing louder. "He has posed no threat whatsoever during his time on the pitch," wrote The Northern Echo, while the BBC finds his poor record "increasingly worrying."

 

Not so for Eddie Howe, or so he claims. "Nick is playing well, there are no issues with his overall performance. He's impressed me in recent weeks," said the Newcastle manager, who nevertheless only started him twice in the last seven competitive matches and has now left Woltemade out of the starting eleven for the second consecutive game. Just last week, Howe had praised his protégé's versatility: "He can play as a number nine, he can play as a number ten, he can play anywhere and in any attacking position. He's very flexible." Woltemade is the "exact opposite" of Yoane Wissa, who prefers to play further forward. The center forward, also signed in the summer for €57.5 million from Brentford, was not much of a competitor for the German for a long time; due to a knee injury, Wissa only made his Newcastle debut on December 6. He contributed a goal and an assist to last week's Champions League victory against PSV Eindhoven (3-0) and was also given the nod against Villa.

 

The question remains whether Howe will find a place for Woltemade on Wednesday when Newcastle face Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League group stage, vying for direct qualification to the round of 16. The coach also called on the team to help Woltemade get back into form. He wants his striker to "get more chances," meaning "more assists from the team for him." Should Woltemade fail to score against PSG, he can at least catch up with an old acquaintance a few days later who has already overcome his goal drought. Next Saturday, Newcastle will visit Liverpool, home to Woltemade's German national teammate Florian Wirtz. The former Leverkusen player needed a whopping 23 competitive appearances before finally scoring for the Reds.

Woltemade and Wirtz are like warnings re spending big money on Bundesliga players tbh.  The standard of German football has been in significant decline for some time. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think he got benched due to anything other than Wissa being more proven in the PL TBH. Certainly Wissa hasn't done any better than Woltemade was doing. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don't think he got benched due to anything other than Wissa being more proven in the PL TBH. Certainly Wissa hasn't done any better than Woltemade was doing. 

It’s hard to see Wissa scoring anything but tap-ins at the moment.  Though in his favour he’d at least have a chance of being somewhere near the six yard box to score said tap-in

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Woltemade and Wirtz are like warnings re spending big money on Bundesliga players tbh.  The standard of German football has been in significant decline for some time. 

Wirtz is quality, he just had a slow start so everyone piled on, but once a real manager gives him and Ekitike the keys to Liverpool they will both tear it up.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, TRC said:

Wirtz is quality, he just had a slow start so everyone piled on, but once a real manager gives him and Ekitike the keys to Liverpool they will both tear it up.

Perhaps, and I’m still hopeful re Wolfemade.  

[TRC]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s hard to see Wissa scoring anything but tap-ins at the moment.  Though in his favour he’d at least have a chance of being somewhere near the six yard box to score said tap-in

I'm more than happy for us to just farm chances to him if thats what it takes to win. 

 

Hindsight I know but we have one striker who wants it to his feet and deep, the other who is a pure poacher, and we have no time on the training pitch to put a game plan in place for both.

[TRC]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Perhaps, and I’m still hopeful re Wolfemade.  

These players are good just need to be used right.

[Jonas]

Was benched because otherwise he'd be playing every game if he wasn't and were all knackered. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

I'm more than happy for us to just farm chances to him if thats what it takes to win. 

 

Hindsight I know but we have one striker who wants it to his feet and deep, the other who is a pure poacher, and we have no time on the training pitch to put a game plan in place for both.

I’m not particularly sympathetic to the lack of training time defence that I see a lot at the moment tbh.  Football isn’t that complicated - it doesn’t take a genius to work out what type of ball is suited to what type of player.  This does seem to be a relatively recent thing in football - it’s not really complex to work out that Woltemade isn’t going to thrive from first time balls pinged across at pace, and Wissa isn’t going to score regularly if you’re whipping crosses in for headers.  It’s hard to imagine Beardsley, Ginola or Robert needing three months in the close season to be told the type of pass their team mate will thrive on. 

[Gola]

Being vegan just makes me love him even more. It's a myth vegans are weak as piss, plenty of body builders etc are. 

 

Nick has the talent to become a massive success, we just need to play to his strengths like we did with the rat.

 

Might not be this season, might be next. Don't think anyone this season has done particularly well tbh. Weird season. Only Bruno, Hall, Miley and Thiaw come out of it with any credit. Maybe Big Jo too but he's barely played.

 

Anyway, back to big Nick. He also seems like a lovely guy. That for some reason is really important to me too. I loved the goals of the rat and his general play, but I never warmed to him as a person. 

[kingxlnc]

I can see why Ekitike was first choice to replace Isak it would have been a like for like replacement for sure.