Irish Paul Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 We thought we were getting that kind of player in Wissa but he showed up looking like Brando for the filming of Apocalypse Now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 27 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: "Anthony's legs, his desire to press, makes the team play better. It had a really fluid look to it. We wanted to play with a fluid frontline. We wanted to press aggressively. You need quick & mobile players (to do that)." Damn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Irish Paul said: We thought we were getting that kind of player in Wissa but he showed up looking like Brando for the filming of Apocalypse Now. He was like the third fastest CF in the PL last season behind Haaland and someone I’m forgetting. I think the two behind him were Jackson and Pedro. We were clearly after a type, but between the lack of preseason and the injury we have a broken down version of what we bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 After close to £130M spent on strikers we look better with Gordon up top who isn't great in the first place. I'd snap your hands off if a decent bid comes in for him or Wissa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 he’s a wonderful guy and super talented but I’d happily send him to Bayern with a full set of best wishes to get a pacy young striker to lead our line next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) Y’all are crazy. Edited February 11 by cubaricho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I’d loan him out tbh, extra year amortization and then hopefully he improves or we can sell him for a small profit psr wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 What come on y’all. He’s a young kid in a new country learning a new league and new style. Loaning him out isn’t the answer as much as selling him isn’t the answer. Give the kid a preseason at least before this kind of talk starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 He will score for fun next season and we'll all look silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, oldtype said: He will score for fun next season and we'll all look silly. It should always be fun when you score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 For him to score for fun he'll at least have to attempt to shoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, oldtype said: He will score for fun next season and we'll all look silly. In the Bundesliga? Probably. No-one in English football would be kicking our door in for him. We’ve paid far too much to be loaning him out, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) Not sure of the context of Howe's comments but last night wasn't too different to how we played the press against Everton, City, Chelsea or PSG, all of which this lad started in he'll be back. I'd be far more concerned if I was Wissa. I actually thought Gordon played in a very similar fashion to Woltemade. He floated around in different spaces rather than playing as a typical striker, but he was supported by 2 fluid wingers who made decisive runs and also had 2 midfielders bombing on with intent and speed. Gordon's pressing pace is obviously very good though. Edited February 11 by Gallowgate Toon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 This guy will come good I'm sure of it. Wissa, on other hand, I have doubts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, cubaricho said: What come on y’all. He’s a young kid in a new country learning a new league and new style. Loaning him out isn’t the answer as much as selling him isn’t the answer. Give the kid a preseason at least before this kind of talk starts. He's 24. You made it sound like he's 20. Edited February 11 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 There's too much potential in Nick to give up on him so easily. We're starting to see him come on in the more withdrawn role and that shows that we are trying to learn how to best use him. Seen encouraging signs every time he's played in there and once Eddie has more time with him on the training ground + a full preseason we will start to see the benefits. Also think if he fills out abit and gets abit stronger he will settle into the league far better. He's never going to be quick so may aswell pile on some more muscle and become a better focal point than he is at the moment. He's too easily pushed and bullied currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 15 minutes ago, Erikse said: He's 24. You made it sound like he's 20. Funny thing is that most pundits normally bang on about forwards reaching their peak between 27-31, but a lot of the goalscorers over the last few decades have tended to have their best seasons before they reach 25 to 27. Their goalscoring tails off after that. I can’t name a forward who suddenly learned how to have a forward’s instinct after turning 24 - most good strikers have shown it by that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Funny thing is that most pundits normally bang on about forwards reaching their peak between 27-31, but a lot of the goalscorers over the last few decades have tended to have their best seasons before they reach 25 to 27. Their goalscoring tails off after that. I can’t name a forward who suddenly learned how to have a forward’s instinct after turning 24 - most good strikers have shown it by that point. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2935360/2021/11/15/what-age-do-players-in-different-positions-peak/ Edited February 11 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 hours ago, timeEd32 said: "Anthony's legs, his desire to press, makes the team play better. It had a really fluid look to it. We wanted to play with a fluid frontline. We wanted to press aggressively. You need quick & mobile players (to do that)." Wouldn't read too much into that tbh. It's how we wanted to play so it was horses for courses. If we're going to become a more possession-based side then Nick becomes more useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2935360/2021/11/15/what-age-do-players-in-different-positions-peak/ It looks like it’s based on mins played, but either way that would suggest that the peak years are 24-29. 24 is definitely not young for a PL striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Wouldn't read too much into that tbh. It's how we wanted to play so it was horses for courses. If we're going to become a more possession-based side then Nick becomes more useful. Aye agree with Ki. I'll start to be concerned if both him and Wissa are chained to the bench for the rest of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It looks like it’s based on mins played, but either way that would suggest that the peak years are 24-29. 24 is definitely not young for a PL striker. Peak ages are a lot lower nowadays I feel. Players are being pushed from very young aged nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, r0cafella said: Peak ages are a lot lower nowadays I feel. Players are being pushed from very young aged nowadays. Yep - I also think fitness requirements in the modern game have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 11 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Interesting that he came on in midfield. Howe given up on him as a 9? Think it was more that we didn't have a midfielder on the bench Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Its something I've also had to adapt to mentally, I don't expect much improvement to a players game once they hit say 21 for example. Especially if they've been getting first team minutes from say 18. The big nick we have now is very much the big nick of the future. I'm sure we can make him a bit stronger and play a bit quicker but I wouldn't expect too much improvement outside of adaptation to the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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