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9 hours ago, black_n_white said:

Doesnt look like he’s very well suited to a 4-3-3 formation?

It's nothing to do with the formation it's the lack of chances the team are creating.  Nick is a phenomenal player he's just feeding on scraps.  Any striker in this team would struggle, I think it's a miracle he's scored as many goals as he has in this team.  As we've created nothing for him.  The issue is our midfield / wingers - they are just creating nothing.

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jack j

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41 minutes ago, duo said:

It's nothing to do with the formation it's the lack of chances the team are creating.  Nick is a phenomenal player he's just feeding on scraps.  Any striker in this team would struggle, I think it's a miracle he's scored as many goals as he has in this team.  As we've created nothing for him.  The issue is our midfield / wingers - they are just creating nothing.

You cant play a 4-3-3 the way we played it when you've got a striker with no pace dropping that deep trying to get the ball

So it is the formation in my eyes

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Erikse

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14 hours ago, duo said:

It's nothing to do with the formation it's the lack of chances the team are creating.  Nick is a phenomenal player he's just feeding on scraps.  Any striker in this team would struggle, I think it's a miracle he's scored as many goals as he has in this team.  As we've created nothing for him.  The issue is our midfield / wingers - they are just creating nothing.

 

Chance creating also depends on the positioning and movements of the striker. It's not like the striker is free of responsibility.

 

 

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I collected some moments worth noting. Watching it all back it's true that Wolte didn't get much to work with, Brentford were a lot better than us. Wolte didn't have a particularly bad game, but the chemistry isn't there yet, and as others have said it sometimes looks like there are some mismatch in the system with him as our only nr. 9. Physically he looks a bit slow and he's not the strongest either, but his passing is mint, and he does win the ball back for us sometimes aswell. Rewatching the game only reaffirms my belief that he's the perfect 10 (or false 9) behind someone like Wissa.

 

https://streamable.com/64qjzz

 

Maybe it's hindsight, but should he not have come closer here to make himself available? Maybe he would have, if Wissa was there to stay centrally and ready to make the run towards goal, if the winger went on a run with the ball? Pure speculation, might be overthinking.

 

https://streamable.com/5bs46g

 

This one is intereting. I think the first pass from Barnes is weak and a bit too far behind him, and Woltemade does very well to win it back. The pass from Tonali though, what happened there? Looks like Wolte stopped for a sec when Tonali expected him to keep moving.

 

https://streamable.com/lsxvwg

 

I posted this one on sunday. Should be sprinting there to get into the box, and I don't know why he hesitates. I actually think Barnes did well here, but we need players in the box. Sometimes the wingers has to expect it. Wolte probably wouldn't have been fast enough anyways given his pace, but should have atleast been sprinting there after releasing it to Bruno imo.

 

https://streamable.com/wd6my3

 

Nice play to get Murphy through. Expects the pass out to him, but Murphy crosses it in front of goal. While Murphy should probably have turned and played it out to Wolte, this is a situation where if Wolte was a 10 or a midfielder was playing that pass instead, we could have had Wissa infront of goal for the tap in. Seems like we rarely have players right infront of goal for the crosses when Wolte is so active in the build up. That's a problem for us imo. The life as a winger is difficult when there are noone infront of goal. This is why I would love to see Wolte and Wissa together up top, and let Wolte be very active in the buildup as he is right now, but without the drawback.

 

 

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Andy

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I don't think people are "blaming" Woltemade though, they're just trying to figure out why we look so disjointed going forward, and obviously playing a completely different type of striker is going to be the go-to explanation, as well the ageing fullbacks. 

 

I don't think anyone with a brain is saying his performances have been subpar, rather that the rest of our team seemingly have no idea how to play off him at the moment.  

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HMSIllustrious

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Just what always happens when things are starting to go downhill, people frantically try to find a scapegoat or at least an explanation.

I think our offensive decline is rather the result of a whole bunch of factors - injuries/ subpar form in key positions/ lacking tactical automatisms and (to my surprise) a strange lack of intensity.

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18 minutes ago, HMSIllustrious said:

Just what always happens when things are starting to go downhill, people frantically try to find a scapegoat or at least an explanation.

I think our offensive decline is rather the result of a whole bunch of factors - injuries/ subpar form in key positions/ lacking tactical automatisms and (to my surprise) a strange lack of intensity.

 

Weirdly while I've read OTT criticism of almost every player, Woltemade isn't one of them. Not sure where that's come from.

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jack j

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2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Couldn’t put it any better superb.

 

 

Fuck this cunt, couldnt give a shiny shite what he has to say about anything NUFC. The biggest grifter of them all

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

Weirdly while I've read OTT criticism of almost every player, Woltemade isn't one of them. Not sure where that's come from.

There was even an article from Goal.com quoted in German media in which they focused Shearer‘s tweet “sloppy and leggy“ especially on Wolte, which doesn‘t make any sense, but that‘s how clickbait works.

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1964

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8 minutes ago, Rocker said:

There's no mackem in there, mind. He's doing the old Shearer and Bruce routine of softening some words, but absolutely no mackem. 

 

 

Yeah, that crosses the line of abuse that mind.  He's no lads fan

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Mikky

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53 minutes ago, HMSIllustrious said:

Tonight against Luxemburg it‘s Wolte in front of a line of three made of Gnabry (seems to reach a late peak atm), Wirtz (unlucky, unhappy, but still better than Isak) and Sane (ups and downs in Turkey). I can see him getting much more service than in our setup.


Zero service for Big Nick - played as a 9 - Both wingers play for themselves and Wirtz is basically playing school ground football - head down and take on as many players as you can 

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