Víctor Muñoz: Signs For Liverpool

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Fak said:

 

Liverpool were always at the table.

But reported by absolutely nobody.

Not entirely true. From day 1 it was reported competition for Nunez was tough. We then proceeded to spend 2 weeks quibbling over £2m.

 

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Maybe, I just feel like we agreed a deal in a relatively short amount of time anyway. Everything was in place, the lad just wanted to see if there was an even better option. 

We've been negotiating a fee for a player about £1m shy of his release clause... for atleast a week. That's a gigantic waste of time.

 

We got the entire Isak deal done in 4-days.

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Not sure if that's true of if we just don't follow the news about their signings. 

That right winger they’ve just signed was all but done until we started bidding and then it was public knowledge all of a sudden. They regularly sign players with no sniff of it beforehand in the press. 
 

Don’t know why there’s always a fucking hoo-ha when we’re involved.

 

Every signing as well. It’s like fucking amateur hour. Even the French GK was leaked for bastard weeks before it was done. 

[sanyi75]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I guess, but it's still very early in the window and we thought everything was agreed. Then it was only a 24hr delay while he agreed to sign for Liverpool

 

He probably did want to come, he just discovered he could come to the PL for more money to a bigger club. 

This happened last summer too, but it seems we like it when they do this to us.

[Minhosa]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But how do you establish that? Mind reading?

You get in early. Offer good money, good agent incentives and give them a deadline. It’s not exactly rocket science. 
 

What you don’t do is let the tail wag the dog which we seem to be fucking experts at. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:28 by Minhosa

[Kid Icarus]

24 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Completely agree with this. Just get the deals done behind closed doors, as quietly as possible. 

 

You can't stop the likes of Romano getting the info as it comes from the player's side, but whoever is briefing the likes of Ryder and Edwards needs to shut the fuck up. 

 

At this point you would think that it being made public by Romano etc has to be taken as a red flag in itself and from that point on we put down what we're offering - there's the offer, contact us if/when you're ready - move on to focussing on another target position. NUFC sources approached for comment by local journos and it's a flat out 'Newcastle sources are playing down links with...'

 

At the absolute very least we don't have this 'Newcastle are confident' ritualistic humiliation cycle the club's in that's causing reputational damage. 

[Sidg]

The Downie explainer has made me feel SOMEWHAT better. On one hand, it's a case of what more can you do; if Liverpool come in for a player, the player is going to opt for them 10 times out of 10. On the other, if we knew we had strong competition, we could have just paid the clause in stealth mode. It's the most reasonable price imaginable for a starting player in our current guise. Even then, Liverpool probably would have stormed in and matched it. 

 

Just immensely frustrating that Liverpool are now operating in Sky 6/CL AND feeder club markets. That's a piss-take. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But how do you establish that? Mind reading?

Agreeing contracts with players is usually fairly quick - days. Had we activated the release clause we would've known in days if he was stalling or waiting for a better offer.

 

Similar to the Tonali deal. If Spurs agree a fee, they will know in days if Tonali is joining or using them as a smokescreen. Agreeing terms with players is easy.

[toon25]

Always those cunts at the moment.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

You get in early. Offer good money, good agent incentives and give them a deadline. It’s not exactly rocket science. 
 

What you don’t do is that the tail wag the dog which we seem to be fucking experts at. 

 

I just think we did this. We had a deal we thought was agreed, he asked for 24 hours to talk to Liverpool. 

 

If Liverpool aren't interested he's a Newcastle player now and the window is a revelation. 

 

Unless you're saying we pull out when the player asks for the 24 hours. Which is fair enough but probably wouldn't result in more deals getting done overall. 

[Menace]

Did Howe shag Richard Hughes' wife or something?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreeing contracts with players is usually fairly quick - days. Had we activated the release clause we would've known in days if he was stalling or waiting for a better offer.

 

Similar to the Tonali deal. If Spurs agree a fee, they will know in days if Tonali is joining or using them as a smokescreen. Agreeing terms with players is easy.

 

So we're really just talking about how many days is acceptable? We agreed a deal with the club and the player. And it's still only 18 June. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:31 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, Sidg said:

The Downie explainer has made me feel SOMEWHAT better. On one hand, it's a case of what more can you do; if Liverpool come in for a player, the player is going to opt for them 10 times out of 10. On the other, if we knew we had strong competition, we could have just paid the clause in stealth mode. It's the most reasonable price imaginable for a starting player in our current guise. Even then, Liverpool probably would have stormed in and matched it. 

 

Just immensely frustrating that Liverpool are now operating in Sky 6/CL AND feeder club markets. That's a piss-take. 

I’d caveat that with Downie being a club mouthpiece and them, in all likelihood, trying to quickly save face and act like they’ve got credibility this year after the clusterfuck of last summer. 

[RodneyCisse]

Anyone else just slowly falling out of love with football?

[SUPERTOON]

The key thing now is how quickly we can get the next target. No idea who it will be, the Belgian lad we apparently like is supposedly Villa’s number one target.

[BottledDog]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Not entirely true. From day 1 it was reported competition for Nunez was tough. We then proceeded to spend 2 weeks quibbling over £2m.

 

We've been negotiating a fee for a player about £1m shy of his release clause... for atleast a week. That's a gigantic waste of time.

 

We got the entire Isak deal done in 4-days.

 

Absolute balderdash.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, RodneyCisse said:

Anyone else just slowly falling out of love with football?

Not even slowly tbh.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

I’d caveat that with Downie being a club mouthpiece and them, in all likelihood, trying to quickly save face and act like they’ve got credibility this year after the clusterfuck of last summer. 

That’s exactly what it is.

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I just think we did this. We had a deal we thought was agreed, he asked for 24 hours to talk to Liverpool. 

 

If Liverpool aren't interested he's a Newcastle player now and the window is a revelation. 

 

Unless you're saying we pull out when the player asks for the 24 hours. Which is fair enough but probably wouldn't result in more deals getting done overall. 

Of course we pull out. We give the kid and his agent an ultimatum and if he doesn’t accept, THEN we use the media to our advantage by making it known we’ve walked away. This then sets a precedent for other players and agents. Liverpool can’t sign every cunt. 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

So we're really just talking about how many days is acceptable? We agreed a deal with the club and the player. And it's still only 18 June. 

 

 

 

 Being quick leaves the door open to getting gazumped. Best case the deal actually gets done. Worst case we save 5% of the window time.

 

There's a reason Liverpool paid the release clause and not just matched our bid. They view time as critical to getting the deal done.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Minhosa said:

Of course we pull out. We give the kid and his agent an ultimatum and if he doesn’t accept, THEN we use the media to our advantage by making it known we’ve walked away. This then sets a precedent for other players and agents. Liverpool can’t sign every cunt. 

 

Fair approach to take, I think it would lead to a lot of deals collapsing though. 

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It's not really the same.

 

We've spent time haggling with taxis trying to leave. If we pay the fucking rate, we know if she'she's serious or stalling. When she stalls, you go back to talking to other girls.

 

All those negotiations with Osasuna and even Real Madrid were a massive waste of time. Clearly a small cohort of people conduct our transfer business. We shouldn't waste their time over what was seemingly less than 5m euros. If we think this lad is a 70m euro talent, we have to move with conviction and quickly. If he stalls, we move on to the next.

 

What's actually happened is that she's got in your taxi, it's pulled up outside your house, just as you're putting the key in the lock (the actual lock, not a metaphor) Studley Goodfuck has rang and she's jumped back in the taxi and gone round to his.

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:35 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

There's a reason Liverpool paid the release clause and not just matched our bid. They view time as critical to getting the deal done.

 

Yeah, but because he was about to sign for us. They already knew exactly what was needed to get him. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Fair approach to take, I think it would lead to a lot of deals collapsing though. 

Nothing new then 

[Optimistic Nut]

49 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Fucking around on fees has cost us. We could have had this sorted 3 weeks ago. That was the point in selling early. We've done nothing with the supposed advantage. Saying Liverpool has always been in the background is bollocks. We should treat every deal like one of those cunts is ready to swoop, so we put aggressive offers down and get it signed. Pathetic by the club once again. The project is completely finished due to board level incompetence.

 

 

 

 

How does this first line work when everything was agreed with club, player & agent? If we do it 2 weeks ago, all that happens is Liverpool make their move 2 weeks ago too. Tiresome. Both football wise and on here. 

[KaKa]

Didn't they say that it was mostly the structure of the payments they were working on coming to an agreement on? Because typically with the release clause it's all of, or a bunch of money upfront? And that wasn't ideal for us and the business that had to be done this summer?