johnnypd Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 to be fair to KD berbatov has a better record than Owen at international level, and was also ace in the bundesliga. i'd also say he is more skillful and has more to his game than Owen does. doesn't mean he is better in the premiership though, as we've seen some top players struggle to adapt here. Stern John has a better record at International level than both Owen and Berbatov, also Owen's Premiership goals per game ratio is better than Berbatov's in the Bundesliga which is an inferior league (similar to Kuyt in Holland) He is more skillful and does have more to his game, then again so does Peter Crouch, however it's goals that win games and Berbatov isn't even in the same class bracket at that compared to Michael Owen. most of stern john's games at international level will be against other shitty nations in concacaf or whatever the federation is, which is why strikers for these no-mark nations often have good goalscoring records. Berbatov's opposition is likely to be just as strong as Owen's, so it is a fair comparison, especially since Berbatov is playing for a weaker team. while the bundesliga is worse than the premieship, i think it is disingenous to say it is equivalent with the eredivisie and to discount it altogether. yes owen is a better goalscorer at some levels, but berbatov has more to his game. i'd say his skill makes him a more effective player AND goalscorer at international level. Owen often looks crap on the international stage as his general play is poor, though he has a half-decent goalscoring record. i'd say there's little separating the two, though i'd prefer Owen for the premiership as he has proven pedigree here while berbatov is still adapting and while he might succeed he may just as easily fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Rooney Henry Drogba Would be my top three without a shadow of a doubt, I'd conga nude around the town to have one of them playing for us... it gets a lot more difficult to name the other seven, though: Owen Anelka Shevchenko Tevez Martins Berbatov van Persie Bloody hell, that was hard... I only left Larsson out because of his age. Others that crossed my mind were Darren Bent, Craig Bellamy, Dirk Kuyt, Louis Saha, John Carew, Dean Ashton, Benni McCarthy and Andy Johnson. I assume we're talking purely hypothetically here, because if injuries/current form/PL history were taken into account then I'm not sure if I could justify picking Owen, Shevchenko and Tevez. I'd replace them with Larsson, Bent and Bellamy. I just picked the ten players I'd most like to have in my team based on history/reputation/form/bias and all that jazz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Mccartney who the fuck? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 most of stern john's games at international level will be against other shitty nations in concacaf or whatever the federation is, which is why strikers for these no-mark nations often have good goalscoring records. Berbatov's opposition is likely to be just as strong as Owen's, so it is a fair comparison, especially since Berbatov is playing for a weaker team. Here's a link to his International record including teams he's scored against, not many good teams in there tbf. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/berbatov-intlg.html Chile Denmark Iceland 5 Malta 4 Germany Croatia 2 Albania 2 Belgium Lithuania Estonia Andorra 2 Russia 2 Cameroon 2 Turkey 2 Hungary Georgia 2 Mexico Compared to Owen... Morocco Romania 2 Argentina 3 Luxembourg 2 Brazil 2 France Finland Albania 2 Germany 3 Paraguay South Korea Denmark Slovakia 3 Liechtenstein 2 Croatia Japan Portugal Ukraine Azerbaijan N Ireland Colombia 3 Poland Jamaica http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/owen-intlg.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 most of stern john's games at international level will be against other shitty nations in concacaf or whatever the federation is, which is why strikers for these no-mark nations often have good goalscoring records. Berbatov's opposition is likely to be just as strong as Owen's, so it is a fair comparison, especially since Berbatov is playing for a weaker team. Here's a link to his International record including teams he's scored against, not many good teams in there tbf. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/berbatov-intlg.html fair enough. i'd say owen has 7 goals against stronger opposition than anyone berbatov has scored against (argies, france, brazil, portugal) though he has had 26 extra games in which to score 5 more goals overall which isn't exactly flattering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
looneytoon Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Berbatov is turd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 dawson's just winding you up man. Do you honestly think he believes berbatov, keane, mido or defoe are better than owen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nufc_geordie Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Rooney Henry Drogba D.Bent Martins D.Berbatov C.Bellamy E.Adebayor Yakubu Defoe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Fully agree with this: Rooney Henry Drogba Would be my top three without a shadow of a doubt, I'd conga nude around the town to have one of them playing for us... it gets a lot more difficult to name the other seven, though: then (based on nowt in particular) Robin Van Persie Louis Saha Dimitar Berbatov Andriy Shevchenko Dirk Kuyt Oba Martins Michael Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deep456 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 1)Thierry Henry 2)Wayne Rooney 3)Didier Drogba 4)Micheal Owen 5)Obafemi Martins 6)Andrew Johnson 7)Louis Saha 8)Dirk Kujit 9)Robin Van Persie 10)Nicholas Anelka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 In order: Henry Drogba Rooney Owen Van Persie Saha Martins Ashton Anelka McCarthy Un disputible. Kuyt, Bellamy, Crouch and Berbatov follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Of current strikers playing in the Premiership, In no particular order: Henry McCarthy Drogba Shevchenko Rooney Martins Owen Anelka Van Persie Montella Honourable mentions for: (the next ten) Tevez, Ashton, Doyle, Berbatov, Carew, Johnson, Bellamy, Larsson, Lita, Mcbride. Montella over Saha seriouslyor Berb/Bellamy/Bent ? Montella is definitely better than those 4. His goalscoring record; Empoli: 22 goals in 33 matches Genoa: 21 goals in 34 matches Sampdoria: 54 goals in 83 matches Roma: 84 goals in 180 matches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dider Drogba Direk Kuyt Michel Owen/Oba Martins (this season) Wayne Rooney Thierry Henry Robin Van Persie Beni Macarthy Yakubu John Carew (From the few games i saw him play,too early to judge but i am ready to gamble on him anytime) Berbatov On the other side of this table Darius Henderson - If watford are going down,its because of him Shola Ameobi Marcus Bent Bernardo Corradi Marlon Harewood Solmon Kalou Carlos Tever - though he is starting to improve Danny Webber Benjani Colins John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I think Benjani and Corraddi have been pretty decent, personally. And why on earth put Shola there? He's going to have been out for the vast majority of the season and before he had his surgery he had a decent goal record this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I think Benjani and Corraddi have been pretty decent, personally. And why on earth put Shola there? He's going to have been out for the vast majority of the season and before he had his surgery he had a decent goal record this season. Benjani = Decent player,just can't find the back of the net,and thats causing problmes for his team. Corradi = Having a hard time in his first season,him and most of his City teamates are all having a bad season,he got sent off twice i think and only managed to score 3 goals in 1473 min's of football Ameobi = is simply awfull,even if he wasn't injured i doubt he wouldve scored more then 10 goals this season,His recored this season is good,but overall he is simply bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Ameobi = is simply awfull,even if he wasn't injured i doubt he wouldve scored more then 10 goals this season,His recored this season is good,but overall he is simply bad. usefull squad player. that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Drogba Henry Rooney Johnson Berbatov D Bent Van Persie Martins Anelka Larsson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonGeneral Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Henry Rooney Kuyt Berbatov Martins (looks as good as anyone) Drogba Shevchenko (still class) Saha Anelka Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest durhamsmoggy Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 To say I am amazed no one has mentioned Viduka is an understatement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 To say I am amazed no one has mentioned Viduka is an understatement. I really rate Viduka, but he's not in the class as many named in the lists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 To say I am amazed no one has mentioned Viduka is an understatement. I really rate Viduka, but he's not in the class as many named in the lists. Could've been.... if he gave a shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bellers Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Henry - What Can you say, the guy is absolute class. Possesses pace, strenghth and technique which assist him scoring all kinds of goals aswell as amounting countless assists, the complete striker. Drogba - After a couple of dodgy seasons Drogba has finally adjusted to the Premier league. His immense strength and techical ability have contributed to him becoming this years leading scorer to date. Owen - Despite his injury issues Michael Owen is still one of the world's greatest poachers. Great pace and awareness, Owen is always in the right place at the right time. Berbatov - Not the quickest with the ball but more than makes up for this with fantastic awareness and techniacal ability. Surely a hit in this division for many years to come. Anelka - Probably the most twisty face in the league, but is still a fantastic striker. On his day he can destroy teams with bags of pace and fantastic technique. Saha - Similar to Anelka, the frenchamn has been a hit at the highest level for a while now. Larsson - Made it at Celtic and Barcelona and now showing promise at Man Utd. Made in the Shearer bracket and will surely be a hit in the premier league if given more time. Van Persie - Still a raw talent, but improving all the time. Bags of pace and a cannon of a left foot, looks like Wenger has found another gem. Martins - Like Van Persie still a raw talent, but improving all the time. He's got two fantastic feet and pace to burn, if guided in the right direction could become one of the league's most distructive forwards. Bellamy - Doesn't score a huge amont of goals but his pace makes him a pest and grabs him a fair share of assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Henry - What Can you say, the guy is absolute class. Possesses pace, strenghth and technique which assist him scoring all kinds of goals aswell as amounting countless assists, the complete striker. Once again, you'd need to be good in the air to be 'the complete striker'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bellers Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Henry - What Can you say, the guy is absolute class. Possesses pace, strenghth and technique which assist him scoring all kinds of goals aswell as amounting countless assists, the complete striker. Once again, you'd need to be good in the air to be 'the complete striker'. Wouldn't exactly say he's terrible in the air though, would you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I would, tbh. Though with the way Arsenal play, and how good Henry is, he doesn't need to be good in the air. I just like being picky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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