TBG Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Isak doubtful for Man City away on the 15th Feb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Trust me bro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Wrong bloody thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) Makes a change tbf, thread has been pretty samey for months Edited January 15 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: A reminder that getting rid of SJP based on the argument of not getting left behind very much means still being left behind in reality. If you want to get in and others to be able to get in, fair enough like, but these arguments about PSR, matchday income, tickets being available to those who can't afford it etc are all either pretty baseless or result in negligible benefits vs what's lost in the process. Still a significant gap between our match day incomes and the Sinister 6. Plus with a new stadium, I would imagine that would provide a whole host of new commercial opportunities as well that would narrow the gap even more. Don't think anyone is saying moving stadium is the way to get even with the Sinister 6, but it definitely would help us bridge that gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, OpenC said: If only there was a high flying club in the premier league, maybe second or thereabouts, that hadn't sold its soul for corporate glory to demonstrate that it's still possible to football your way to success in 2025 Less than a decade ago we used to vilify and mock Mike Ashley for wanting us to be balance sheet champions and now we're all desperate to be balance sheet champions football is so shit now, man If the aim is the odd season of unsustainable success then you’re right - but Forest will not maintain their current position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The bit that I scratch my head about is when this sentimentality re SJP started in the fan base. Because it wasn’t there in 1996/97 - the support was pretty unified in wanting a move for the betterment of the club. 1 hour ago, Interpolic said: @LFEE I respect you massively as a fan and a person (hopefully that's clear already :)), but... You should surely accept that some people's preference is to stay at SJP without claiming the club won't be able to compete if it goes down this road. Lots of us simply don't agree with that. And feel that the drawbacks of a move outweigh the benefits. I'm one of them. I'm not sure when the dial shifted but that's previously been a fair position to hold, and as far as I'm concerned it still is. The problem is that the claims that we’d be able to compete long-term staying where we are, are not then followed-up with anything tangible. And the drawbacks of the move aren’t clear either - if the move was to Castle Leazes, what drawbacks are there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: If the aim is the odd season of unsustainable success then you’re right - but Forest will not maintain their current position. But if the aim is to be like Tottenham Hotspur then I'm just not that interested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, OpenC said: But if the aim is to be like Tottenham Hotspur then I'm just not that interested The difference is that Spurs don’t actually spend what they could spend. No-one had said that the aim is to be like Spurs at any point. Spurs’ income increases are incredible; but they have a miserly ownership. Spurs’ ownership are like what we were under Ashley, had Ashley been competent. We can’t compete with the top clubs long term without serious revenue increases - our players will be picked off one by one. We should want to be competitive on a sustainable basis. I’ve zero sentiment for the current SJP, which to me always represented curtailed ambition and a previous ownership’s ability to award its other companies construction contracts. I don’t doubt those who do not wish to leave will be persuaded to leave, but they should not pretend that staying makes no difference to future ambitions. And personally I’m sick to fucking death of the club not being all it could be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 First time walking up to level 7 in like a year. Petition for the new stadium to have sponsored stannah stairlifts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more, I think. Such a pyrrhic success to aim at, just trying to join the rich kids because we also are newly rich but being given shit hoops to jump through for their amusement I'm 50 this year so I reckon I've now reached the time of life I can legitimately warn people that they'll rue the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, OpenC said: I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more, I think. Such a pyrrhic success to aim at, just trying to join the rich kids because we also are newly rich but being given shit hoops to jump through for their amusement I'm 50 this year so I reckon I've now reached the time of life I can legitimately warn people that they'll rue the day I agree, but football is going to remain a financial regsathon, unfortunately. That’s unlikely to ever change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, OpenC said: I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more That horse has truly bolted, especially at the PL level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The bit that I scratch my head about is when this sentimentality re SJP started in the fan base. Because it wasn’t there in 1996/97 - the support was pretty unified in wanting a move for the betterment of the club. I've always thought it's because a lot people hit their formative years watching us be very good in a newly rebuilt stadium and grew that sort of Nintendo-esque lifelong attachment to it. Now a bunch of people in their 30/40s have strong emotions for the 36 and 52k versions of St. James'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Should add older generations don't seem as transfixed by the current incarnation of the ground either, bit anecdotal but certainly seems that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The logic of not wanting to build a new stadium because Spurs have shit owners who are just out to line their own pockets with minimal expenditure is an odd one. The similar logic of "Well Liverpool are doing OK without a new stadium" is almost as odd, given Liverpool have a massive worldwide fanbase already. Forest broke FFP to get where they are, and will probably fall away again soon enough. Just like Leicester did. If you want to compete at the top CONSISTENTLY, you need top-level revenues. That's why Man U etc will always rise back to the top, irrespective of how they are today. Good or bad governance is temporary, as we ourselves know. We're doing great now, but we'll have a rough time at some point whether under Howe or someone else (Some people were calling for his head not long ago!) and without a consistent revenue stream we could completely unravel and struggle to get back anwyhere near to where we are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I just hope they consider acoustics and originality in the design. Don't give me your standard oval bowl bullshit. Give me a black and white wall that looks intimidating as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 15 minutes ago, STM said: I just hope they consider acoustics and originality in the design. Don't give me your standard oval bowl bullshit. Give me a black and white wall that looks intimidating as fuck. There’s a near-zero percent chance a new stadium will be some “standard oval bowl” or “flat pack” when it comes to how much money is going to get thrown at it. It’ll be the best stadium in the league for quite a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, cubaricho said: There’s a near-zero percent chance a new stadium will be some “standard oval bowl” or “flat pack” when it comes to how much money is going to get thrown at it. It’ll be the best stadium in the league for quite a while. “Best in class” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 49 minutes ago, GEFAFWISP said: I've always thought it's because a lot people hit their formative years watching us be very good in a newly rebuilt stadium and grew that sort of Nintendo-esque lifelong attachment to it. Now a bunch of people in their 30/40s have strong emotions for the 36 and 52k versions of St. James'. You’re probably right, though I’m 42 and had a ST from 89 onwards and that era for me was the ultimate case of footballing blue-balls; a failure with some fun moments, but more than anything proof of what we could be even if we didn’t maximise what we could be (the Halls and Shepherds were self-serving). All fart and nee shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, Whitley mag said: Howay man. Such an unreliable source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 18 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I agree, but football is going to remain a financial regsathon, unfortunately. That’s unlikely to ever change. A model of infinite growth on a finite path means that the bubble will inevitably burst at some point or people like us will have long since checked out from what it'll have become by the time it's at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: If you are going to make lies up, at least make them believable. The council categorically cannot say that something will or won’t get planning permission. A planning officer can work with the client and say what will and would likely pass or be needed too. They will also advise the council if it goes to a planning committee on if it should or shouldn’t be permitted. They won’t say something won’t get permission without even knowing details etc. It is just not how bureaucracy in the planning department works. Edited January 16 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 19 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: And the drawbacks of the move aren’t clear either - if the move was to Castle Leazes, what drawbacks are there? I'm absolutely fascinated that you're so certain there are no drawbacks whatsoever, for literally anyone else but yourself Sitting in a curvy modern placca joy vacuum instead of an actual football ground for one. There's not one new ground in the UK I'd rather watch games in than ours. I'm still to be convinced that we'll be the first English football club to achieve a matchday experience that isn't completely naff/sanitised/artificial/whatever compared to what we already have, imperfect as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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