St James' Park

[Turnbull2000]

18 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

It all depends on how capable the design team are.

 

For a brand new site, why couldn't the build take under 5 years? Spurs new ground didn't take more than that iirc.

 

Everton's the same.

 

Modern building techniques can take a lot of time off total construction time. It really depends on what the unique selling point of the stadium will be.

 

Sustainability, energy efficient, multi purpose etc. The more bells and whistles will add time.

 

Planning, consultations, environmental studies and plenty more obstacles will likely take 1-2 years to get through. Then there'll be a technical design process lasting a couple of years after that (unless they've already started behind the scenes) Then a phased build of around 3-4 years. I'd be surprised if we have a new ground before 2032.

[bobbydazzla]

As a useful measure of new stadium construction time, the new builds for the Qatar world cup took between 4-7 years from breaking ground to opening

 

And then you have to add the years of planning approvals, design work etc at the front end before you're even allowed to stick a shovel in the soil

 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 17:47 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

23 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

Planning, consultations, environmental studies and plenty more obstacles will likely take 1-2 years to get through. Then there'll be a technical design process lasting a couple of years after that (unless they've already started behind the scenes) Then a phased build of around 3-4 years. I'd be surprised if we have a new ground before 2032.

 

Still not too bad considering the previous strategy was to stay in SJP and let it crumble to dust. 

[Jackie Broon]

7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

As a useful measure of new stadium construction time, the new builds for the Qatar world cup took between 4-7 years from breaking ground to opening

 

And then you have to add the years of planning approvals, design work etc at the front end before you're even allowed to stick a shovel in the soil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't a more useful measure be stadiums bult in this country rather than the searing heat of Qatar? Everton's stadium has taken 4 years, with the first year being preparing and filling the dock, so actually more like 3 years. Spurs' stadium took 3 years. The Emirates took 2 years. 2-3 years from breaking ground seems realistic.

 

 

 

 

[Decky]

According to Wiki, Spurs timeline was,

 

Oct 2013: Club considering new stadium,

July 2015: Club reveal plans,

December 2015: Council grant planning permission, 

Construction: 2016-2019 (early clearing and foundation work in 2014 and 2015.

 

Potentially double that seems excessive, especially when we're already a year or so into consideration and possibly plans. 

 

[JLC]

2 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

Planning, consultations, environmental studies and plenty more obstacles will likely take 1-2 years to get through. Then there'll be a technical design process lasting a couple of years after that (unless they've already started behind the scenes) Then a phased build of around 3-4 years. I'd be surprised if we have a new ground before 2032.

I suspect Saudi cash helps to smooth and accelerate many bureaucratic obstacles.

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Wouldn't a more useful measure be stadiums bult in this country rather than the searing heat of Qatar? Everton's stadium has taken 4 years, with the first year being preparing and filling the dock, so actually more like 3 years. Spurs' stadium took 3 years. The Emirates took 2 years. 2-3 years from breaking ground seems realistic.

 

 

 

 

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 20:05 by bobbydazzla

[Ben]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

 

 

I thought Spurs was a new build 

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I thought Spurs was a new build 

Rebuild in the sense that it was on the same site as the old one and wasn’t putting a new stadium in a new location

 

I was taking the view that we’re moving and starting from scratch, not upgrading the current site  

 

 

Edited yesterday at 21:21 by bobbydazzla

[wfmk2]

Tart the hell out of the East Stand for the corporates and the 200 quid a seat day trippers, a bit like a 21st century version of that thin side of the Boca Juniors stadium, then extend the other three sides to the heavens. 80k capacity. Job done. 

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

 

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

[El Prontonise]

10 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

 

Disagree, what people expect from a modern stadium makes it longer to build now imo.

 

Also there's more safety standards etc to fulfill nowadays.

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

I wasn’t giving it that much thought, I just wondered how long some recent new build, new site, 60,000+ stadiums had taken from breaking ground to opening and Qatar immediately came to mind and it meant I only had to do 1 x search on Wikipedia to get the info 

 

If I was curious enough to get proper insight then both my best pal and one of my closest relatives are Directors on large scale civils projects including stadiums, but when they talk shop it’s proper dull and I’m no concrete nonce like them, so I avoid the subject at all costs 

 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[manorpark]

11 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Rebuild in the sense that it was on the same site as the old one and wasn’t putting a new stadium in a new location

 

I was taking the view that we’re moving and starting from scratch, not upgrading the current site  

 

 

 

 

As I understand it the process Spurs followed for their new stadium, partly on the footprint of their old stadium, is pretty much exactly how we would do the proposed 'Leazes Park Stadium'.

 

[Sibierski]

10-12 years  If we announce preferred option this summer, I’ll be amazed if it’s not built by start of 2030-31 season at the very latest.

 

Saudis will be throwing money at it, government are trying to make building easier, and they will be gagging at wanting a major infrastructure project commence during their government term because of what it brings investment wise / signs of moving forward (even if it’s all for show).

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Sibierski

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

10-12 years  If we announce preferred option this summer, I’ll be amazed if it’s not built by start of 2030-31 season at the very latest.

 

Saudis will be throwing money at it, government are trying to make building easier, and they will be gagging at wanting a major infrastructure project commence during their government term because of what it brings investment wise / signs of moving forward (even if it’s all for show).

 

 

 

That was my first thought but then I realised we were looking for a location for a training ground 3 years ago and it's taken a year for us to decide what to actually do. 

[Sibierski]

16 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

That was my first thought but then I realised we were looking for a location for a training ground 3 years ago and it's taken a year for us to decide what to actually do. 

Year to decide what to do stadium is fair, since it’s a major decision.

 

Training ground I may be giving too much leeway to them, but that’s a challenging decision where to put it. Because it will need to be as close to a major road as possible for ease of in and out, and then not too far from where majority of players will base themselves. Not quite as simple as, there’s some spacious land, slap it there.
 

Have there been any mooted suggestions for locations for this?

[Paully]

Leazes Park is a lovely place!

[GWN]

4 minutes ago, Paully said:

Leazes Park is a lovely place!

 

dunno why that sounds dirty 

[TheBrownBottle]

If uses part of the current footprint, I propose we call the new stadium ‘St James’ Park’.

[bobbydazzla]

49 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

As I understand it the process Spurs followed for their new stadium, partly on the footprint of their old stadium, is pretty much exactly how we would do the proposed 'Leazes Park Stadium'.

 

Indeed it is

 

But I was just interested in new build, new site timelines as personally I see that as being the most logical option for us because we haven’t got an alternative ground to play in like Spurs did 

 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Kanj]

If we do that plan  ^^ above, i wonder how long it would take to get the final end done, probably most of  a season I assume. Based on absolutely nothing other than some developments I’ve worked on, I’d push the the new stadium slightly further away from SJP so that you could start building the end; then once you’re demo’ng the old ground you’re just adding/linking into it so that there is less disruption on the changeover. 

[kingxlnc]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If uses part of the current footprint, I propose we call the new stadium ‘St James’ Park’.

Or even better, PIF @ St James Park for £100m a year

[Joelinton7]

2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Or even better, PIF @ St James Park for £100m a year

Or even even better.. PIF @ St. James Park for £1bn a year!

 

[Chris_R]

23 minutes ago, Kanj said:

If we do that plan  ^^ above, i wonder how long it would take to get the final end done, probably most of  a season I assume. Based on absolutely nothing other than some developments I’ve worked on, I’d push the the new stadium slightly further away from SJP so that you could start building the end; then once you’re demo’ng the old ground you’re just adding/linking into it so that there is less disruption on the changeover. 

 

Just start the new season with 3 stands open. Finish the 4th one as you go. Put a big board up at that end or something and carry on working behind it. No reason that can't work if properly thought out.

 

If we're going to 75k-ish, then we shouldn't see a drop in capacity either.