bobbydazzla Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Saint James’ Place might be about to get attractive park views - and Leazes Terrace might be about to not get those views. Saint James’ Place would need to be demolished to extend the East Stand - that’s very unlikely to be approved. And the Gallowgate is pretty much unextendable due to the Metro station. If you were looking to build near SJP and on Leazes Park, this is exactly the sort of purchase you’d make. The Reuben’s will eat this sort of thing for breakfast. Piece of piss for some of the biggest property developers in the game. Guess the main difference is that they don’t usually have tens of thousands of emotionally invested people speculating about every step along the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Just to follow up - Saint James’ Street blocks the East Stand ever being extended (below): Additionally, there are regs re building in city centres and returning green space. So an obvious solution would be the below - you demolish SJP in two stages; first, you construct part of a new stadium (area in red); then you demolish SJP, returning most of it to green space (green area), then you build the remaining part of the new stadium on the footprint of the current Leazes End. This reduces the amount of green land you’d need to restore - and of course no-one in Saint James’ Place will complain, they’ve now got light and a lovely park. The residents of Leazers Terrace however may not be so happy - they’ll all lose their park views. Additionally, the owners of Leazers Terrace could well spend time whining about loud and dirty construction works going on for two years in front of the property. They can’t do that if you buy it (childlike squiggles below - hey, I’m a QS not a design engineer / architect) Aaah, stupid me was getting Leazes Terrace and St James' Street the wrong way round. That makes a lot more sense. Edited May 20 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Wondering what sort of mental gymnastics this has sent the ReadyToGroom Planning Department spinning into? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 25 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Saint James’ Place might be about to get attractive park views - and Leazes Terrace might be about to not get those views. Saint James’ Place would need to be demolished to extend the East Stand - that’s very unlikely to be approved. And the Gallowgate is pretty much unextendable due to the Metro station. If you were looking to build near SJP and on Leazes Park, this is exactly the sort of purchase you’d make. Is it the sort of purchase you would make if you were looking to talk about building but never actually going to do it because you’re from Saudi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Decky said: Murrayfield is 3 hours from SJP like. Never happening. Aye midweek games would be tight for those who finish at 5! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: Is it the sort of purchase you would make if you were looking to talk about building but never actually going to do it because you’re from Saudi? If you’re referring to my constant refrain of the KSA govt being resolutely full of shite when it comes to big claims about construction works, then I stand uncorrected. The evidence for this is available thanks to the wonder of the Internet. If they loan the money or bring in outside investment to fund the works then it’s hardly the result of their deep pockets - any owner could do that. Personally, I don’t think that one of the nastiest regimes on the planet needs its feelings protected from anonymous gobshites like myself making sceptical comments on a football forum. But I’m glad they’ve got their white knights on here. Edited May 20 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 14 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Aye midweek games would be tight for those who finish at 5! You’d assume/hope that it ever became reality (probably won’t) there’d be significant provision made in the way of charter trains between Newcastle and Edinburgh. Hour and a half to Edinburgh, then another half hour or so from Waverley to Murrayfield. Hardly ideal by any stretch, but as others have said, there really aren’t any viable alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 7 minutes ago, SteV said: You’d assume/hope that it ever became reality (probably won’t) there’d be significant provision made in the way of charter trains between Newcastle and Edinburgh. Hour and a half to Edinburgh, then another half hour or so from Waverley to Murrayfield. Hardly ideal by any stretch, but as others have said, there really aren’t any viable alternatives. If, and its a big if, that we have to use another ground i really dont think Edinburgh would be high on the list....would think SoS, Riverside, and Elland Road at a push would be more likely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I don’t think Murrayfield is even possible under UEFA regs - Welsh clubs playing in England fall under the governance of the FA. Berwick play in Scotland of course, but they’re also under the full governance of the SFA. So unless we plan on joining the Scottish league, we won’t be playing home games in Edinburgh any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, gjohnson said: If, and its a big if, that we have to use another ground i really dont think Edinburgh would be high on the list....would think SoS, Riverside, and Elland Road at a push would be more likely Sunderland is impossible. Fewm would be off the charts. Boro is a possibility I suppose. Too small really (although maybe needs must) and whilst the local mutants probably wouldn’t be particularly happy about it, I don’t think that’s quite the deal breaker it is with mackems. Don’t see Leeds being much more convenient than Murrayfield tbh, and again, a bit on the small side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Could Murrayfield not be an option for say 4 or 5 games at the end of a season if needed if there’s a small overlap that would mean the stadium needed to close down? A small amount of games would not be too much of a fuck on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, Fenham Mag said: Could Murrayfield not be an option for say 4 or 5 games at the end of a season if needed if there’s a small overlap that would mean the stadium needed to close down? A small amount of games would not be too much of a fuck on. If it was a couple of games it might be argued it was an exceptional case - but otherwise, the regs don’t allow it. Besides, if it was just a handful of matches, why not just use the Safe Cracker Arena down in Darlington? It’s half SJP’s capacity, but at least half the ST holders would be able to watch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 36 minutes ago, SteV said: You’d assume/hope that it ever became reality (probably won’t) there’d be significant provision made in the way of charter trains between Newcastle and Edinburgh. Hour and a half to Edinburgh, then another half hour or so from Waverley to Murrayfield. Hardly ideal by any stretch, but as others have said, there really aren’t any viable alternatives. Could never see it happening. Midweek games don't usually finish till 10pm. By the time everyone got out, got the trams back to Waverley, and got on the trains the last people wouldn't get back into the Central till after 1am. Not sure what the answer is but I don't think it's Murrayfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) Imagine the HELL ON if the East Stand barnacles were told not only was their seat they've be in for decades being removed and replaced with a new seat, but for a period of time they might have to travel to an alternative stadium and also, due to capacity constraints they could only go to every other game. Edited May 20 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Could never see it happening. Midweek games don't usually finish till 10pm. By the time everyone got out, got the trams back to Waverley, and got on the trains the last people wouldn't get back into the Central till after 1am. Not sure what the answer is but I don't think it's Murrayfield. Don't play any midweek games, that's the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 14 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: If it was a couple of games it might be argued it was an exceptional case - but otherwise, the regs don’t allow it. Besides, if it was just a handful of matches, why not just use the Safe Cracker Arena down in Darlington? It’s half SJP’s capacity, but at least half the ST holders would be able to watch it. We already have too many ST holders for the Darlington Arena. That and SCR loss of revenues. Murrayfield will probably be the likely option if LNER can help increase timetable. You can train and tram stop it station to station in 1:45. Government might’ve finally dual’d the A1 by then I’d imagine it be for a season at least also. How many seasons where Spurs at Wembley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, LFEE said: We already have too many ST holders for the Darlington Arena. That and SCR loss of revenues. Murrayfield will probably be the likely option if LNER can help increase timetable. You can train and tram stop it station to station in 1:45. Government might’ve finally dual’d the A1 by then I’d imagine it be for a season at least also. How many seasons were Spurs at Wembley? Using Murrayfield would breach UEFA regs, it would likely be blocked - Wembley is in England. It is a non-starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Aye I cannot see us using Murrayfield, would be a weird experience going up to Edinburgh for a home game every other week mind. Sunderland never happening either. Same with Boro. Wouldn’t be surprised at Darlo or Gateshead with a load of temporary seating, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, LFEE said: We already have too many ST holders for the Darlington Arena. That and SCR loss of revenues. Murrayfield will probably be the likely option if LNER can help increase timetable. You can train and tram stop it station to station in 1:45. Government might’ve finally dual’d the A1 by then I’d imagine it be for a season at least also. How many seasons were Spurs at Wembley? Two I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Using Murrayfield would breach UEFA regs, it would likely be blocked - Wembley is in England. It is a non-starter. Current regs. Regs might be a lot different in 6/8/10 years. The idea has definitely been floated as unlikely we all think it sounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 minutes ago, LFEE said: Current regs. Regs might be a lot different in 6/8/10 years. The idea has definitely been floated as unlikely we all think it sounds. You could well be right, though I suspect the reason the regs might change will be to allow leagues to play matches overseas. So let’s hope not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: You could well be right, though I suspect the reason the regs might change will be to allow leagues to play matches overseas. So let’s hope not That’s what I was hinting at. You know it’s coming sadly… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Murrayfield seems fanciful as a venue to host us. imagine the cost incurred by fans to go all that way week in week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Sunderland is the only place that makes logistical sense really, but obvs won't be done for various reasons. Boro I guess, but transport would need to put on and it's not exactly close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 46 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Murrayfield seems fanciful as a venue to host us. imagine the cost incurred by fans to go all that way week in week out. Subsidise the trains. Get the FA to bend their rules to allow us to temporarily play our games in Scotland for a season or two. If they won't, just annexe Roseburn using extreme force and make the suburb part of England for a couple of years. Murrayfield is the most logical option available to us. Doesn't mean it'll be happening though. Edited May 20 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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