St James' Park

[Dr. TC]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m a quantity surveyor.  I actually worked on a renovation in the North East where a sandstone brick facade replaced in sections.  The cost would be mind-blowing; yes, the materials wouldn’t be as expensive given most are recycled, but all the finishes would need to be done.

 

If you’re demolishing a sandstone facade by hand, and you’d need to number the blocks etc as they come out, then I’d allow 50% additional time for everything that goes with that.   Say 4 hours per m2 of labour - comfortably. For comparison, a two brick thick wall (very thick) takes about 2.5 hours to demolish per m2 - but those walls are likely less thick than those sandstone blocks, you’d need to be a lot less careful, and the removed blocks would need to be carefully enumerated and stored.

 

The costs would be insane. 

 

 

 

When you put it like that it sounds potentially very cheap. 

 

Leazes Terrace is less than 150m long. Let's say generously it's 15m tall, that's 2,250m2 for the front, the same for the back, plus the two ends, around 5000m2.

 

Four hours of labour per m2 makes 20,000 hours. 

 

I don't know what this skilled labour costs, but let's assume £25/hour.

 

That's only £500k. Pocket change in the scheme of a stadium rebuild. 

[Groundhog63]

Said it before. Easiest way is to incorporate those buildings within the new stand. 

Make a feature of it. Leave the far sides as the actually entrances. 

Simples

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Dr. TC said:

When you put it like that it sounds potentially very cheap. 

 

Leazes Terrace is less than 150m long. Let's say generously it's 15m tall, that's 2,250m2 for the front, the same for the back, plus the two ends, around 5000m2.

 

Four hours of labour per m2 makes 20,000 hours. 

 

I don't know what this skilled labour costs, but let's assume £25/hour.

 

That's only £500k. Pocket change in the scheme of a stadium rebuild. 

That’s just the facade, and that’s only the demolition of the facade.  And labour costs are not the only cost in terms of that demolition. 

 

Its also listed so it’s a non-starter. 

[BoSelecta]

I know this is back of a fag packet but 50% additional labour to go from smashing a building down to carefully removing each brick and cataloging them seems way off - I’ll go with 10x.

[TheBrownBottle]

10 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

I know this is back of a fag packet but 50% additional labour to go from smashing a building down to carefully removing each brick and cataloging them seems way off - I’ll go with 10x.

I would if the bricks were the same size as a house brick.  But they’re much, much bigger - far less time removing the mortar. 
 

edit: when I was on a project in the NE replacing sandstone facade blocks, the total labour time per m2 was around 16 hrs/m2

 

 

Edited January 10 by TheBrownBottle

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said:

Said it before. Easiest way is to incorporate those buildings within the new stand. 

Make a feature of it. Leave the far sides as the actually entrances. 

Simples

Leazes Terrace isn’t the biggest issue.  It’s the terrace on St James St next to it - that completely limits the footprint of the stand. You can’t make the East Stand footprint any bigger than it already is in any real sense. 

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Leazes Terrace isn’t the biggest issue.  It’s the terrace on St James St next to it - that completely limits the footprint of the stand. You can’t make the East Stand footprint any bigger than it already is in any real sense. 

 

That's just minor detail though

 

If we can move Leazes Terrace brick by brick, then doing the same to St James Street will be a piece of piss

 

Wonder if we could relocate both terraces to NEOM, that place could do with some historical buildings 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10 by bobbydazzla

[TBG]

Walking past the gound there now and it looks like they've started work on the fan zone. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Are people taking the piss about this brick by brick stuff?

[TheGuv]

The Royal Arcade was taken down brick by brick, and numbered to be rebuilt. And they ‘lost’ the numbers apparently and couldn’t rebuild it. 
 

A lot of the stones are in Heaton Park and littered around Byker, Walker I think. I’m sure @manorpark will confirm

[Stal]

Beamish has done the brick by brick thing on several occasions. No idea what the full story is here, I just thought I'd pop in with a bit of brick by brick trivia.

 

Edit: read the previous pages to catch up. I was clearly just too excited to share what I learned on a school trip once.

 

 

Edited January 10 by Stal

[Nucasol]

16 minutes ago, Stal said:

Beamish has done the brick by brick thing on several occasions. No idea what the full story is here, I just thought I'd pop in with a bit of brick by brick trivia.

 

Edit: read the previous pages to catch up. I was clearly just too excited to share what I learned on a school trip once.

 

 

 

[manorpark]

2 hours ago, TheGuv said:

The Royal Arcade was taken down brick by brick, and numbered to be rebuilt. And they ‘lost’ the numbers apparently and couldn’t rebuild it. 
 

A lot of the stones are in Heaton Park and littered around Byker, Walker I think. I’m sure @manorpark will confirm

 

The Royal Arcade was built in 1831 by those giant figures of Newcastle history, Richard Grainger and John Dobson. Constructed in a classical Greek style, the poet Sir John Betjeman, over 100 years later, described the Arcade as “a highlight of classical town planning” - and one of the 36 most famous vanished monuments in Britain. Originally a Corn Exchange, it would soon become a home to shops, as well as banks, offices, a post office, an auction room, and steam and vapour baths. With its domes and stone columns, It was hailed as the finest example of its kind in the country.

However, over time it was destined to become Grainger’s least successful venture. While Newcastle’s retail trade continued to grow around the Grey’s Monument area, many shoppers just didn’t fancy trudging down to the bottom of Pilgrim Street. The Royal Arcade was considered for demolition as early as the 1880s, and that decision was finally rubber-stamped decades later in the early 1960s after a long period of decline.

 

When they dismantled the Royal Arcade they decided that they could reassemble it within Swan House which stood on the roundabout. All of the ornate stone work was taken to a Council site in Shieldfield and every piece was numbered to make re-assembly easy. Unfortunately the paint they used was water based and when they came to rebuild it the numbers had washed off. It was considered too problematic to sort it out and in their wisdom the City Council decided to make a pastiche “new arcade" utilising fibreglass moulds taken of the original stones but made with new cheaper materials. That is still there today inside the latest restaurant beneath 55 Degrees North;

 

The Swan House Roundabout with the new pastiche Royal Arcade inside Swan House and the car park beneath was initially completed with the Employment exchange inside and Australia House attached to it.

 

The remaining original stones are laid all through Armstrong Park and Heaton Park as are some stones saved from the old Town Hall from the foot of Bigg Market and Cloth Market. When it was conceded that it would be impossible to re-assemble these stones in their original formation, the City Council agreed to distribute them in the mentioned Parks, at least preserving some remnant of our heritage. The stones are still there today and can be seen if you look for them.

 

 

Edited January 10 by manorpark

[TomYam]

2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Are people taking the piss about this brick by brick stuff?

Some are (naughty things). Some aren't (thickies).

[Interpolic]

3 hours ago, TBG said:

Walking past the gound there now and it looks like they've started work on the fan zone. 

 

Yeah they have been on it a few weeks, my new office looks straight out on to it

[bobbydazzla]

@manorpark just casually dropping a victorian architectural salvage porn story

 

By Jove, my loins haven't stirred this much since I observed Miss Fanny Quickscuttle revealing her ankles on the back steps of the music hall

 

 

Edited January 10 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought I had been in that arcade before 55 Degrees North was built, but I guess it would’ve been the recreated fake version. 

[Pancrate1892]

9 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Said it before. Easiest way is to incorporate those buildings within the new stand. 

Make a feature of it. Leave the far sides as the actually entrances. 

Simples

Doesn't seem to be worth it when the side you'd see is an arse end compared to the facade facing the east stand?  

 

They'd have to reproduce the facade on the other side which probably defeats the whole idea and may as well knock the cunt down 

[Pancrate1892]

6 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

That's just minor detail though

 

If we can move Leazes Terrace brick by brick, then doing the same to St James Street will be a piece of piss

 

Wonder if we could relocate both terraces to NEOM, that place could do with some historical buildings 

 

 

 

 

 

The gadgey who owns st James terrace is open to selling them to the club. I can't believe they would do a feasibility study without taking up such an option? 

[LFEE]

The other plus point of building a massive new stadium is basically a statement In saying we are/aiming to be the biggest club in England. 
 

Massive pull for players also despite what Charnley claimed 😆

[STM]

50 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

@manorpark just casually dropping a victorian architectural salvage porn story

 

By Jove, my loins haven't stirred this much since I observed Miss Fanny Quickscuttle revealing her ankles on the back steps of the music hall

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks I've now got the name Fanny Quickscuttle in my head and intend to use it at every opportunity.

[ennyoueffsea]

4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Are people taking the piss about this brick by brick stuff?

 

Just seen this in the latest edition of Groundtastic. Nee mention of the terrace with St James Street though.

[bobbydazzla]

Hello, this is Albert Gubbins calling from NUFC. I’d like to enquire about whether your architecture firm could help me with relocating Leazes Terrace into the nearby park, brick by brick.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10 by bobbydazzla

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

That's just minor detail though

 

If we can move Leazes Terrace brick by brick, then doing the same to St James Street will be a piece of piss

 

Wonder if we could relocate both terraces to NEOM, that place could do with some historical buildings 

 

 

 

 

 

An expensive and badly-thought out folly is exactly the place for those building for me.  

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Hello, this is Albert Gubbins calling from NUFC. I’d like to enquire about whether your architecture firm could help me with relocating Leazes Terrace into the nearby park, brick by brick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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