St James' Park

[CheikBoom]

7 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I was one of the ones who gave up my season ticket when Rafa left out of what I thought would be best for the club (people are free to different on that view).

 

This season, the Leicester match is the first match that I’ll be able to attend because of the demand for tickets.

I am resigned that I’ll now never be able to get a season ticket alongside a friend, or any kids I might have.

If we are ran in the right way, demand will only increase. A new stadium with a much bigger capacity is likely the only way I’d be able to take future little Stiflers to the match, or get a season ticket for us together.

This is exactly it for me as well. Gave mine up under Carver, but since last season I've only been succesful in 1 ballot.

 

As much as I love SJP, I want to be able to get to games as well. 

[TheBrownBottle]

The club just needs to crack on.  SJP is not fit for purpose, nor can it be redeveloped to be fit for purpose.  Let’s get spades in the ground and get on with the agenda of being all we can be.  By a back of a fag packet calculation I reckon I’ve been in SJP 500+ times.  I have very little sentiment for the lopsided monolith that was pretty much built in the ‘90s.  Get a new ground built in the city centre and let’s fulfil our potential.  

[Sibierski]

As much as I’d love to remain at SJP, and bring it up to spec, let’s be honest, it’s bit of a dive inside. Can slap some paint on and what not, but fundamentals can’t be changed. 
 

Only because they could smash down countless crack dens to expand 2 (and assume eventually 3 stands), Liverpool will be only top half club in Premier League who’s been able to remain at their ground. Even if we could build out the east stand, Milburn is still limited because of Barrack Road. As highlighted earlier, the newer stadiums are mostly larger (and newer stands) because of what they pack inside, rather than just squeeze seats which is what our stands are.

[Fezzle]

17 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Lost on this one tbh.  Why is this so?

Its a bizarre take as regardless of rebuilding SJP and finding a mythical replacement during it, using the current land doesnt solve the Leaze Terrace/Metro/Barrack Road issues that is boxing us into a set footprint that will limit any meaningful expansion and cost a fucking shitload to boot.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Fezzle said:

Its a bizarre take as regardless of rebuilding SJP and finding a mythical replacement during it, using the current land doesnt solve the Leaze Terrace/Metro/Barrack Road issues that is boxing us into a set footprint that will limit any meaningful expansion and cost a fucking shitload to boot.

Yep.  There simply isn’t a ‘temporary’ ground solution for an SJP rebuild - and the footprint isn’t big enough even if it was possible.

 

Yes, PIF has a lot of money.  But it isn’t going to spend c.£200m+ on a temporary stadium which would last a year or so and wouldn’t even bring in enough revenue to cover cost.  Anyone who thinks this is delusional. 

[Stifler]

Looks like Sam Fender is going to be playing at SJP again.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

10 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Looks like Sam Fender is going to be playing at SJP again.

 

This could be his Hasselhoff moment where he's belting out 17 Going Under as the first swing of a wrecking ball takes place

[TBG]

It's got Newcastle City Council's branding on as well, but there's poster now up for the club on St James' Boulevard. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

46 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

This could be his Hasselhoff moment where he's belting out 17 Going Under as the first swing of a wrecking ball takes place

And east and west Newcastle are finally reunited. 

[Nucasol]

2 hours ago, Sibierski said:

As much as I’d love to remain at SJP, and bring it up to spec, let’s be honest, it’s bit of a dive inside. Can slap some paint on and what not, but fundamentals can’t be changed. 
 

Only because they could smash down countless crack dens to expand 2 (and assume eventually 3 stands), Liverpool will be only top half club in Premier League who’s been able to remain at their ground. Even if we could build out the east stand, Milburn is still limited because of Barrack Road. As highlighted earlier, the newer stadiums are mostly larger (and newer stands) because of what they pack inside, rather than just squeeze seats which is what our stands are.

Tarting up St James is putting lipstick on a pig. The site itself is all wrong for a stadium in 2025.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

18 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Tarting up St James is putting lipstick on a pig. The site itself is all wrong for a stadium in 2025.

Needs to be out of town and accessible by park and ride. 

[tgarve]

20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Needs to be out of town and accessible by park and ride. 

😂😂

[Nucasol]

34 minutes ago, tgarve said:

😂😂

Frankie & Bennys all the way. Throw in a Poundland and PetsAtHome and we’re talking.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Think Madejski is Frankie & Benny and loads of car dealerships. Something to consider. 

 

 

Edited November 21 by AyeDubbleYoo

[gjohnson]

3 hours ago, Sibierski said:

As much as I’d love to remain at SJP, and bring it up to spec, let’s be honest, it’s bit of a dive inside. Can slap some paint on and what not, but fundamentals can’t be changed. 
 

Only because they could smash down countless crack dens to expand 2 (and assume eventually 3 stands), Liverpool will be only top half club in Premier League who’s been able to remain at their ground. Even if we could build out the east stand, Milburn is still limited because of Barrack Road. As highlighted earlier, the newer stadiums are mostly larger (and newer stands) because of what they pack inside, rather than just squeeze seats which is what our stands are.

Exactly this....inside St James is brutalistic and basic (for the majority). Entirely functional and little more. 

 

Inside Wembley looks like a modern airport...not exactly essential but more pleasant and welcoming to walk around in.

 

Not especially relevant to the purpose of a ground but looks a higher class

[Groundhog63]

Quickest, and easiest, way to improve the match atmosphere is turn the East Stand around so they face the other way. 

Full of duds 😉

[loki679]

5 hours ago, Stifler said:

I was one of the ones who gave up my season ticket when Rafa left out of what I thought would be best for the club (people are free to different on that view).

 

This season, the Leicester match is the first match that I’ll be able to attend because of the demand for tickets.

I am resigned that I’ll now never be able to get a season ticket alongside a friend, or any kids I might have.

If we are ran in the right way, demand will only increase. A new stadium with a much bigger capacity is likely the only way I’d be able to take future little Stiflers to the match, or get a season ticket for us together.

 

[Pixelphish]

Outside of my doubts around their actual current plans for the club, seems fairly obvious they want to do a new stadium and are practicing soft disclosure.

 

 

[Heron]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I'm not sure what your point is here tbh?

 

SJP doesn't have the capacity or future capacity to accommodate everyone who wants to attend I think this is something we can all agree on. 

 

So we are left with, locking people out indefinitely or trying to accommodate them. The fact this may also potential help our PSR situation is a bonus. 

 

Prices for entertainment in any forn will increase football is no different, this is the society we live in I'm afraid. 

In your previous point you were alluding to the fact that fans won't support Newcastle if they cannot get to their games. I think whilst that may be somewhat correct, it is not the largest driving factor for why fans won't support Newcastle. If we're a good team who play good football - that is what will ultimately drive people to support us.

 

I'd be surprised if most folk in Newcastle (and it's surrounding areas) choose not to support Newcastle, especially if we're a good side. Most Man United fans globally will probably only ever once get to Old Trafford but thy exist in what is most likely their hundreds of thousands (if not millions) because they were the dominant force of English football. Man City probably now has grown its support for the same reason.

 

Again, appreciate that adds weight to increasing stadium size and increasing revenue to become the financial egg that the good-football chicken is hatched from. However, it is only the case because of FFP and PSR etc. Why invest billions(?) On a new stadium that it would take decades to see a return on if it was just for a return on national PR by having the best footballing side available/dominance in a sporting field? They could simply spend that money on better training facilities, staff and players (were there to be no FFP, etc.).

 

St James' Park may not have the capacity to play host to every Newcastle fan or enough that would be deemed satisfactory, you're right - we can agree. However, what about other factors?

 

What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out.

 

What about if they do not consider standing or singing sections to ensure there is a good atmosphere?

 

What about if they don't consider the acoustics of the stadium?

 

What about if most the additional capacity is corporate?

 

What about if it's a big Green and White Stadium and called the Aramco Arena with little link to Newcastle's history?

 

What about the loss of activity in the town centre of it relocated a sufficient distance out?

 

People may want this new American kind of style entertainment with light shows and 5 star meals available and all that jazz but it's not for me. I don't want my ticket price going up and the atmosphere being lost and ultimately part of the soul that is Newcastle United so that potentially an extra 10/20k fans can have a day out.

 

We can (most likely) increase the capacity at SJP (for those who'd like to regularly attend) without the need for a relocation of the stadium, and avoid much of the above. Of course - in my opinion.

[Heron]

5 hours ago, Stifler said:

I was one of the ones who gave up my season ticket when Rafa left out of what I thought would be best for the club (people are free to different on that view).

 

This season, the Leicester match is the first match that I’ll be able to attend because of the demand for tickets.

I am resigned that I’ll now never be able to get a season ticket alongside a friend, or any kids I might have.

If we are ran in the right way, demand will only increase. A new stadium with a much bigger capacity is likely the only way I’d be able to take future little Stiflers to the match, or get a season ticket for us together.

I was too and 100% understand this.

 

However, that is the risk we took. I lost all my loyalty points (around 80) and cannot get to away games.

 

I feel for you (and others like you) but I don't think we need say 20/30k increased capacity to accommodate those folk.

 

 

Edited November 21 by Heron

[Tross]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

In your previous point you were alluding to the fact that fans won't support Newcastle if they cannot get to their games. I think whilst that may be somewhat correct, it is not the largest driving factor for why fans won't support Newcastle. If we're a good team who play good football - that is what will ultimately drive people to support us.

 

I'd be surprised if most folk in Newcastle (and it's surrounding areas) choose not to support Newcastle, especially if we're a good side. Most Man United fans globally will probably only ever once get to Old Trafford but thy exist in what is most likely their hundreds of thousands (if not millions) because they were the dominant force of English football. Man City probably now has grown its support for the same reason.

 

Again, appreciate that adds weight to increasing stadium size and increasing revenue to become the financial egg that the good-football chicken is hatched from. However, it is only the case because of FFP and PSR etc. Why invest billions(?) On a new stadium that it would take decades to see a return on if it was just for a return on national PR by having the best footballing side available/dominance in a sporting field? They could simply spend that money on better training facilities, staff and players (were there to be no FFP, etc.).

 

St James' Park may not have the capacity to play host to every Newcastle fan or enough that would be deemed satisfactory, you're right - we can agree. However, what about other factors?

 

What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out.

 

What about if they do not consider standing or singing sections to ensure there is a good atmosphere?

 

What about if they don't consider the acoustics of the stadium?

 

What about if most the additional capacity is corporate?

 

What about if it's a big Green and White Stadium and called the Aramco Arena with little link to Newcastle's history?

 

What about the loss of activity in the town centre of it relocated a sufficient distance out?

 

People may want this new American kind of style entertainment with light shows and 5 star meals available and all that jazz but it's not for me. I don't want my ticket price going up and the atmosphere being lost and ultimately part of the soul that is Newcastle United so that potentially an extra 10/20k fans can have a day out.

 

We can (most likely) increase the capacity at SJP (for those who'd like to regularly attend) without the need for a relocation of the stadium, and avoid much of the above. Of course - in my opinion.

 

Absolutely this. 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Surely we could easily sell another 20,000, probably even all season tickets if we wanted. 

 

I don't want all the dodgy stuff you mention either Heron, but I do want a massive capacity and the ability to buy two season tickets together. 

 

The location is a deal-breaker though, as always. 

[Fezzle]

It would likely take decades to repay the small expansion that would probably cost upwards of £500m and result in many thousands missing out while its being rebuild. Would ST holders be prepared to forfeit their guaranteed tickets during that time and have a full ballot as im not convinced the club would be well received charging for 80000 memberships for about 1000 tickets a game or whatever would be left. Thats a hell of a lot of money the club loses while fans demand year on year spending.

[Heron]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Surely we could easily sell another 20,000, probably even all season tickets if we wanted. 

 

I don't want all the dodgy stuff you mention either Heron, but I do want a massive capacity and the ability to buy two season tickets together. 

 

The location is a deal-breaker though, as always. 

This is the issue for me. No one knows enough. If they literally flipped the stadium like Bilbao (?) And turned the Leazes end 180° I'd probably be entirely for it. But moving it up into the Town Moor or worse, elsewhere is not something I'd like.

[Tross]

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

It would likely take decades to repay the small expansion that would probably cost upwards of £500m and result in many thousands missing out while its being rebuild. Would ST holders be prepared to forfeit their guaranteed tickets during that time and have a full ballot as im not convinced the club would be well received charging for 80000 memberships for about 1000 tickets a game or whatever would be left. Thats a hell of a lot of money the club loses while fans demand year on year spending.

 

Don't think season ticket holders would miss out tbf. They would be relocated into the general sale seats.