St James' Park

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

You're not taking into account other events which can be held at a new stadium. Unable to do this currently with the size of the entrance /exits into the stadium. The executives said yesterday that the revenue would be double that of SJP. Extending the current stadium would be at a huge cost with very little opportunity for revenue growth. A new stadium is just a no brainer all round.

 

 

 

I am sure there things that can be done to the existing stadium to allow for thing such as concerts tk eb more accessible. I am already aware of some the issues following work on previous concerts.

 

I just don't have faith in this multi-billion pound concept at present in all honesty. A lot of the PR work done with fans seems like lip service to me and whilst it's a welcome change from no communication a lot seems like an exercise in placating the fans enough for them to just crack on with what they were actually going to do anyways.

 

I don't really get anyone singing about how "we got our club back" when we supposedly did after the takeover and this is the reason why. It's not "our club back" it's a new version of it.

 

I'm not convinced by any of it. My heart rules my head on NUFC and my heart tells me this won't be the dream ticket to success nor will it be the continuation/evolution that folk think.

 

We're probably better off investing in fucking the PL over and removing unlawful rules more than anything else at present. Then maybe we can knvest what we like where it matters - on the pitch.

 

I will happily eat my words in the future of they do a good job of it but na, presently it's just not for me.

[Heron]

50 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I wasn't alluding to fans no longer supporting us, it's more a question of fairness and custodianship. Why should younger fans get the short end of the stick of not enjoying the same privileges as other fans? What is the reason for this? Makes no sense to me at least. 

 

Your kind of looking at the finances from the wrong angle here, it's not about a return when it comes to premier league investments in a P&L sense it's all about the value of the club. According to Forbes City are worth 4b and the UAE have invested 1,7b so those people (not you btw) who claim they are wasting money terrible investment etc are clearly misguided. 

 

So back to the stadium, as we know the stadium is more than just a place we play our home games, it already holds multiple functions such as being our offices, boardroom etc and we know those facilities are also below par, I remember watching the video of the changing room when they "upgraded" and included a warm up area it was truly embarrassing. 

 

With regards to pricing ticket prices will be going up regardless as is the trend In the entire economy, no way of getting around it. I'd actually argue the potential for unsavoury behaviour from the club is increased at SJP as seating areas will be reconfigured and people will be moved to make way. 

 

Acoustics are simple and should be the heart of any design, that being said any atmosphere is created by the fans if they sit in silence for 90 mins then no amount of acoustic engineering will save it.

 

If your building a new stadium things such as singing sections and safe standing sections can be baked in via the design process. 

 

Any additional capacity will obviously be a mix, and as Miller confirmed we can accommodate a lot more people at a new ground, I'm glad the club has come out on record and clarified this point personally but the official acknowledgement that being at SJP will/is holding us back is welcomed by myself. 

 

The history arguement is one which I must admit doesn't make sense to me, because the history doesn't change if we move, nothing which has gone changes we still have our fantastic memories and they can't be taken away. This is a discussion about the figure and not about the past and when you look at it through that Lens the perspective should shift accordingly because the choice is stark. The choice is stagnate in place which will eventually lead to our decline and inability to compete OR push forwards and fight to compete at the highest level with best in class facilities. 

Apologies for losing some chronology/logic here but I'm going to start with your final point...

 

Why not knock all buildings down then in the end? All buildings can be replaced with an evolution of something better in time? I just don't agree with that. Houses are just houses but that is far different from making homes and this (St James' Park) is home to so many people across the generations. It isn't just a building - it's a castle or cathedral at the top of the hill, in the heart of the city and a place of religious pilgrimage or simply fortitude for people of this city.

 

The increased capacity split is anyone's game - it's okay saying we get 30k more seats but how many will be corporate and how will this impact the atmosphere? Will it be of significant financial gain for us to keep up or as intended - to get ahead? It is fair and right to suggest that staying at SJP absolutely wouldn't generate the same revenue though.

 

Acoustics and singing sections and actual consultation with fans is imperative for them get this right otherwise we will have a soulless bowl of silence and with that - the record we have at home more than likely perish.

 

Ticketing issues are just that, they are obviously compounded by the supply and demand factor (and heavily so if Stiflers figures are correct). However, they've repeatedly "consulted" fans and then gone with what they wanted and it's gone to shit loads of times as a result. Maybe if they fixed some of these issues then youngsters would have the opportunity to attend.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Heron

[r0cafella]

 

 

7 minutes ago, Heron said:

Apologies for losing some chronology/logic here but I'm going to start with your final point...

 

Why not knock all buildings down then in the end? All buildings can be replaced with an evolution of something better in time? I just don't agree with that. Houses are just houses but that is far different from making homes and this (St James' Park) is home to so many people across the generations. It isn't just a building - it's a castle or cathedral at the top of the hill, in the heart of the city and a place of religious pilgrimage or simply fortitude for people of this city.

 

The increased capacity split is anyone's game - it's okay saying we get 30k more seats but how many will be corporate and how will this impact the atmosphere? Will it be of significant financial gain for us to keep up or as intended - to get ahead? It is fair and right to suggest that staying at SJP absolutely wouldn't generate the same revenue though.

 

Acoustics and singing sections and actual consultation with fans is imperative for them get this right otherwise we will have a soulless bowl of silence and with that - the record we have at home more than likely perish.

 

Ticketing issues are just that, they are obviously compounded by the supply and demand factor (and heavily so if Stiflers figures are correct). However, they've repeatedly "consulted" fans and then gone with what they wanted and it's gone to shit loads of times as a result. Maybe if they fixed some of these issues then youngsters would have the opportunity to attend.

 

 

 

You will find in the longrun all old buildings will eventually be knocked down mind, it's just a case of when and not if. Clubs move grounds all of the time 

 

obviously any increase in either regular seats or corporate will lead to higher income which will obviously help mind. 

 

We already have a stadium which isn't designed with acoustics in mind and is silent a lot of the time, as I said the stadium is an amplifier of the sound it doesn't create sounds in itself that's on the fans. 

 

You can't fix supply and demand with any ticketing system, we simply don't have the capacity to accommodate all of our fans which for me is a massive shame and I find it truly bizarre people are okay with enjoying a privilege whilst advocating locking others out of said privilege.  

 

I totally understand the apprehension of the unknown and obviously we can make better and more accurate judgements once any plans are unveiled. 

[BonesJones]

One way of looking at this and it's the way I look at it, is if PIF leave down the line and haven't got us a new stadium, would the new owners be able to build anything like what PIF would likely do.

 

Could be a one off opportunity to build a beast of a stadium and kick on to bigger things.