St James' Park

[JLC]

2 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

Planning, consultations, environmental studies and plenty more obstacles will likely take 1-2 years to get through. Then there'll be a technical design process lasting a couple of years after that (unless they've already started behind the scenes) Then a phased build of around 3-4 years. I'd be surprised if we have a new ground before 2032.

I suspect Saudi cash helps to smooth and accelerate many bureaucratic obstacles.

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Wouldn't a more useful measure be stadiums bult in this country rather than the searing heat of Qatar? Everton's stadium has taken 4 years, with the first year being preparing and filling the dock, so actually more like 3 years. Spurs' stadium took 3 years. The Emirates took 2 years. 2-3 years from breaking ground seems realistic.

 

 

 

 

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

Edited March 12 by bobbydazzla

[Ben]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

 

 

I thought Spurs was a new build 

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I thought Spurs was a new build 

Rebuild in the sense that it was on the same site as the old one and wasn’t putting a new stadium in a new location

 

I was taking the view that we’re moving and starting from scratch, not upgrading the current site  

 

 

Edited March 12 by bobbydazzla

[wfmk2]

Tart the hell out of the East Stand for the corporates and the 200 quid a seat day trippers, a bit like a 21st century version of that thin side of the Boca Juniors stadium, then extend the other three sides to the heavens. 80k capacity. Job done. 

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Just wanted a quick example of some 60,000+ new build stadiums that had been built in the last few years. I wasn’t factoring in the meteorology or owt like that 
 

Everton’s is 25,000 capacity less than what we’re supposedly building, Arsenals was 20 years ago and Spurs was a rebuild not a new build 

 

 

 

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

[El Prontonise]

10 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

 

Disagree, what people expect from a modern stadium makes it longer to build now imo.

 

Also there's more safety standards etc to fulfill nowadays.

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Past a certain point I doubt capacity makes 'that' much difference to build time.

 

The rebuild element of Spurs' stadium will have made it more complicated and would have almost certainly extended the build time.

 

Progress in technology is likely to have reduced the time is takes to build over the past 20 years.

 

 

I wasn’t giving it that much thought, I just wondered how long some recent new build, new site, 60,000+ stadiums had taken from breaking ground to opening and Qatar immediately came to mind and it meant I only had to do 1 x search on Wikipedia to get the info 

 

If I was curious enough to get proper insight then both my best pal and one of my closest relatives are Directors on large scale civils projects including stadiums, but when they talk shop it’s proper dull and I’m no concrete nonce like them, so I avoid the subject at all costs 

 

 

 

Edited March 12 by bobbydazzla

[manorpark]

11 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Rebuild in the sense that it was on the same site as the old one and wasn’t putting a new stadium in a new location

 

I was taking the view that we’re moving and starting from scratch, not upgrading the current site  

 

 

 

 

As I understand it the process Spurs followed for their new stadium, partly on the footprint of their old stadium, is pretty much exactly how we would do the proposed 'Leazes Park Stadium'.

 

[Sibierski]

10-12 years  If we announce preferred option this summer, I’ll be amazed if it’s not built by start of 2030-31 season at the very latest.

 

Saudis will be throwing money at it, government are trying to make building easier, and they will be gagging at wanting a major infrastructure project commence during their government term because of what it brings investment wise / signs of moving forward (even if it’s all for show).

 

 

Edited March 13 by Sibierski

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

10-12 years  If we announce preferred option this summer, I’ll be amazed if it’s not built by start of 2030-31 season at the very latest.

 

Saudis will be throwing money at it, government are trying to make building easier, and they will be gagging at wanting a major infrastructure project commence during their government term because of what it brings investment wise / signs of moving forward (even if it’s all for show).

 

 

 

That was my first thought but then I realised we were looking for a location for a training ground 3 years ago and it's taken a year for us to decide what to actually do. 

[Sibierski]

16 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

That was my first thought but then I realised we were looking for a location for a training ground 3 years ago and it's taken a year for us to decide what to actually do. 

Year to decide what to do stadium is fair, since it’s a major decision.

 

Training ground I may be giving too much leeway to them, but that’s a challenging decision where to put it. Because it will need to be as close to a major road as possible for ease of in and out, and then not too far from where majority of players will base themselves. Not quite as simple as, there’s some spacious land, slap it there.
 

Have there been any mooted suggestions for locations for this?

[Paully]

Leazes Park is a lovely place!

[GWN]

4 minutes ago, Paully said:

Leazes Park is a lovely place!

 

dunno why that sounds dirty 

[TheBrownBottle]

If uses part of the current footprint, I propose we call the new stadium ‘St James’ Park’.

[bobbydazzla]

49 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

As I understand it the process Spurs followed for their new stadium, partly on the footprint of their old stadium, is pretty much exactly how we would do the proposed 'Leazes Park Stadium'.

 

Indeed it is

 

But I was just interested in new build, new site timelines as personally I see that as being the most logical option for us because we haven’t got an alternative ground to play in like Spurs did 

 

 

 

Edited March 13 by bobbydazzla

[Kanj]

If we do that plan  ^^ above, i wonder how long it would take to get the final end done, probably most of  a season I assume. Based on absolutely nothing other than some developments I’ve worked on, I’d push the the new stadium slightly further away from SJP so that you could start building the end; then once you’re demo’ng the old ground you’re just adding/linking into it so that there is less disruption on the changeover. 

[kingxlnc]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If uses part of the current footprint, I propose we call the new stadium ‘St James’ Park’.

Or even better, PIF @ St James Park for £100m a year

[Joelinton7]

2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Or even better, PIF @ St James Park for £100m a year

Or even even better.. PIF @ St. James Park for £1bn a year!

 

[Chris_R]

23 minutes ago, Kanj said:

If we do that plan  ^^ above, i wonder how long it would take to get the final end done, probably most of  a season I assume. Based on absolutely nothing other than some developments I’ve worked on, I’d push the the new stadium slightly further away from SJP so that you could start building the end; then once you’re demo’ng the old ground you’re just adding/linking into it so that there is less disruption on the changeover. 

 

Just start the new season with 3 stands open. Finish the 4th one as you go. Put a big board up at that end or something and carry on working behind it. No reason that can't work if properly thought out.

 

If we're going to 75k-ish, then we shouldn't see a drop in capacity either.

[Turnbull2000]

12 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Just start the new season with 3 stands open. Finish the 4th one as you go. Put a big board up at that end or something and carry on working behind it. No reason that can't work if properly thought out.

 

If we're going to 75k-ish, then we shouldn't see a drop in capacity either.

 

A 70 metre wide, 100 metre high video billboard for a one-of PSR boost!

 

 

Edited March 13 by Turnbull2000

[TheBrownBottle]

39 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Or even better, PIF @ St James Park for £100m a year

Mike Ashley’s vision finally realised!

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If uses part of the current footprint, I propose we call the new stadium ‘St James’ Park’.

 

Agreed.

[iklgizmo]

Do spurs have a stadium sponsor yet?

[Wolfcastle]

Easier said than done and dependent on where it is but we should leave expansion room available if possible. Would eliminate the debate about capacity. If 65k isn't enough, we extend to 70 and so on. 

Stadiums that have been extended (Man City/United, Liverpool, SJP) look better than the identikit build built from scratch ones anyway. Necessity of invention at play.