christ Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Seems like we’re all in agreement. I’ll get my shovel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Maybe those who always offered to move Leazes Terrace brick-by-brick to Beamish could use those skills to move the Strawberry to a Skinnerburn Road? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 More passing trade for Sven Adult Books if we move to the arena site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: More passing trade for Sven Adult Books if we move to the arena site Prematch pint and the rest in the Eagle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Owners have absolutely no plans for moving the stadium. Development is a definite. Met the owner a while back and asked him directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, RS said: Owners have absolutely no plans for moving the stadium. Development is a definite. Met the owner a while back and asked him directly. MBS? Wow! Are you BoRiS Johnson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, RS said: Owners have absolutely no plans for moving the stadium. Development is a definite. Met the owner a while back and asked him directly. Glad the owner told you and no-one else. Good old Yasir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 33 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Maybe those who always offered to move Leazes Terrace brick-by-brick to Beamish could use those skills to move the Strawberry to a Skinnerburn Road? Sorted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, RS said: Owners have absolutely no plans for moving the stadium. Development is a definite. Met the owner a while back and asked him directly. MBS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Sorted Used to work on the east end of the Business Park, this was a regular haunt at lunchtimes. Watched the WC game against Tunisia at France 98 in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Sorted Haha is it still rough as guts? Haven’t been in for about 20 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Haha is it still rough as guts? Haven’t been in for about 20 years Tbf I've never been in ? Used to drink in the other Globe, Shieldfield, back in the day. The Landlord's daughter was a tidy sort ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't be dead against a move down to that part of town and the arguments are fairly compelling, but it's a stretch to say it's just as close to the centre as Gallowgate in terms of pubs and food, like. It's not that close to parts of the centre that people tend to go to would definitely have a mackem nearly but not quite town centre feel to it I reckon Edited August 12, 2023 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 4 hours ago, christ said: Arena site is the only place that I think makes sense if moving becomes inevitable. There’s going to be huge resistance to building next door, as there was in the 90s. I don’t think it’s a battle the owners will really want to have. Not sure what the current state of the arena site is (heard loads of contradictory suggestions about who owns it, plans for it once the new Sage opens etc) but if they can get that entire area between the railway and Skinnerburn Road it should be plenty big enough. Absolutely phenomenal location too, even though that side of the Redheugh is pretty shabby. Loads of potential around that part of the city that you imagine the Reubens would be all over. A lot of folk back then were firmly against the proposals because they intended to build a new stadium AND retain the existing one (albeit with a reduced capacity) - Leazes Park would have been reduced to little more than a walkway between two huge stadia. An added problem was that Hall's reputation was such that many didn't believe a thing he said (the man was a populist à la Boris Johnson). If the Arena site is available again, then that is the best choice for relocation imo. There are limitless possibilities there and the regenerative effects for the south-west of the city would be utterly transformative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, OpenC said: I wouldn't be dead against a move down to that part of town and the arguments are fairly compelling, but it's a stretch to say it's just as close to the centre as Gallowgate in terms of pubs and food, like. It's not that close to parts of the centre that people tend to go to would definitely have a mackem nearly but not quite town centre feel to it I reckon It’s away from the retail core, but still city centre. It would be much easier to get too for away fans, and those to the west, and south of the city. The thing about a stadium there is that if you build it there, you are having to redevelop the whole area around it, because those garages, show rooms, even under the tunnels, is all grim as fuck. To be honest, building a new arena on there would have been great, if they decided to do the whole area up. You do on the plus side, have a heck of a lot of land to build an excellent stadium with a decent footprint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RS said: Owners have absolutely no plans for moving the stadium. Development is a definite. Met the owner a while back and asked him directly. Basically heard the same tbf. I'm sure some in the council have even been informally suggesting the Arena/Forth Yards development area as a potential stadium site off the record. The site is a nightmare to develop for the intended mixed use/resi regeneration because of all the contamination in the ground and the patchwork ownership situation. It seems almost impossible to bring forward without some levelling up funding. A developer with unlimited resources to consolidate the ownership situation and remediate the site actually makes a lot of sense. But apparently they're not interested and are determined to develop the existing stadium. I'm not a fan of a stadium down there on a personal level. Some of my least favourite grounds I've been to are new builds on peripheral development areas disconnected from city centres. Nearly always seem completely soulless no matter how much money is thrown at them. I know it's not miles away but it's still more peripheral than the current stadium. Indeed much of what would sell it as a project would be that it would underpin creating a new area of the city there. Edited August 12, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 1 minute ago, ponsaelius said: Basically heard the same tbf. I'm sure some in the council have even been informally suggesting the Arena/Forth Yards development area as a potential stadium site off the record. The site is a nightmare to develop for the intended mixed use/resi regeneration because of all the contamination in the ground and the patchwork ownership situation. It almost seems almost impossible to bring forward without some levelling up funding. A developer with unlimited resources to consolidate the ownership situation and remediate the site actually makes a lot of sense. But apparently they're not interested and are determined to develop the existing stadium. I'm not a fan of a stadium on arena site on a personal level. Some of my least favourite grounds I've been to are new builds on peripheral development areas disconnected from city centres. Nearly always seem completely soulless no matter how much money is thrown at them. I know it's not miles away but it's still more peripheral than the current stadium. The arena is roughly the same distance from the city centre as SJP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s away from the retail core, but still city centre. It would be much easier to get too for away fans, and those to the west, and south of the city. The thing about a stadium there is that if you build it there, you are having to redevelop the whole area around it, because those garages, show rooms, even under the tunnels, is all grim as fuck. To be honest, building a new arena on there would have been great, if they decided to do the whole area up. You do on the plus side, have a heck of a lot of land to build an excellent stadium with a decent footprint. Are there many precedents for building stadia in that sort of area and the 'have to redevelop the whole area' thing actually coming to pass? I don't actually know. How did it work out at Sunlun, though? I'm not arsed about the away fan experience one little bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The arena is roughly the same distance from the city centre as SJP Technically true but on the ground it feels a different story. SJP is literally minutes away from the Gate for example. Riverside area is literally minutes away from Newcastle College and the Probation office Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Just now, OpenC said: Are there many precedents for building stadia in that sort of area and the 'have to redevelop the whole area' thing actually coming to pass? I don't actually know. How did it work out at Sunlun, though? I'm not arsed about the away fan experience one little bit Away fan section is far too nice already. Ideally it shouldn’t have a roof, seats, only sell bottles of water for £50 and have a single leaky bucket as a bog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 As I’ve said before if they built at the arena a good idea would be to put boats on from the little marina next to the Tyne Bridge. Also sling a car park on the other side of the river in Teams for the excuse to build a new bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The arena is roughly the same distance from the city centre as SJP I disagree, personally. Obviously there is semantics of where you say is the 'centre' but SJP is closer to the traditional urban centre of Grainger Town/Monument while that area is further away and definitely feels more peripheral. Obviously redeveloping it as has been intended for years naturally draws it closer to the city by expanding westwards down the river. But that is part of my reservations. Any new development there will feel a modern extension of the city in regenerating old industrial land - while SJP feels right in the heart of the historic core because it actually is. This is personal preference to what I like about football stadia - and my natural apprehension to any new build. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The arena is roughly the same distance from the city centre as SJP SJP is in the city centre really, it's not a distance from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: SJP is in the city centre really, it's not a distance from it. Aye, that's probably the best way to think about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, OpenC said: Are there many precedents for building stadia in that sort of area and the 'have to redevelop the whole area' thing actually coming to pass? I don't actually know. How did it work out at Sunlun, though? I'm not arsed about the away fan experience one little bit Well that’s the thing. Sunderland’s stadium never got that development, and is only getting it now. So for 30 years it has been described as a generic flat pack stadium, in a shit area. We would want better than that, and I’m not just on about for away fans, I’m on about the home fans as well. Would you want to be going to your turnstile opposite Arena car wash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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