St James' Park

[ponsaelius]

The Arena is going when the new Sage is complete. The whole area is allocated for redevelopment, not just where the Arena is.

[Miggys First Goal]

Arena is going as far as I’m aware. 
 

Just buy up all this land. It’ll be enough. 
 

 

[Orphanage]

4 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Arena is going as far as I’m aware. 
 

Just buy up all this land. It’ll be enough. 
 

 

Erm most of that is on a massive slope . Non starter

[Miggys First Goal]

Just build it up. 

[Guest]

massive slopes? We'll play down hill second half. Tradition carrying over. Perfect. 

[Toon No9]

13 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep, with you 100%.  Soft landscaping of the current SJP - effectively extending Leazes Park - always sounded good to me.

 

John Hall wanted to use the existing SJP for Newcastle / Gosforth Rugby Club when we owned them if I remember right?   Maybe a vastly reduced SJP could be used for the women’s side + youth teams etc

I think the womans side and youth teams will get a smaller arena at the new training centre.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Space for Magpie Land to be built under the elevated part. 

[ponsaelius]

The whole area is allocated for mixed redevelopment. The problem is it's difficult to deliver a masterplanned scheme because remediation costs are huge in areas, and the land ownership is a patchwork quilt (see within that document). So each landowner likely wants to maximise their own bit of the site. It's why there has been so limited progress to deliver it so far.

 

The fact it's on a slope barely matters, re-contouring it to deliver a stadium is perfectly feasible considering the level of remediation and groundwork that would be required anyway.

 

I don't want a modern stadium over there personally, but if PIF wanted to I don't think they'd have much issue convincing land owners to sell up all and consolidating the site - they certainly wouldn't have any resistance developing it from the authorities.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2023 by ponsaelius

[TheBrownBottle]

22 minutes ago, Orphanage said:

Erm most of that is on a massive slope . Non starter

Simple cut & fill exercise.  Not an issue

[Pancrate1892]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think the idea was that the arena goes for a burton

No

[NEEJ]

Arena site would be pure and utter

[TomYam]

1 hour ago, TBG said:

Is the Arena site even big enough?

 

 

Seems extremely narrow if the Arena is to also to stay there. 

 

 

 

There's a lot of empty land, as well as vacant or tertiary commercial/light industrial units adjacent to or in the vicinity of the Arena. If the desire was there to purchase pretty much every parcel of land all the way to Newcastle Business Park, it would get done. 

[Kanji]

In the whole Leazes/Town Moor plan; imagine if the compromise was the existing SJP was converted to small public football ground where the local community could play; it had a massive nod to NUFC etc and generations of residents could “forever” play on the sacred turf; where their heroes played and where their families fell in love with the club. 

[NUFC]

10 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Arena is going as far as I’m aware. 
 

Just buy up all this land. It’ll be enough. 
 

 

 

Opening game abandoned after Newcastle run out of balls after Fabian Schar boots the lot into the Tyne and Graeme Jones suggests playing without a ball ala Mike Bassett England Manager.

[Izakaya]

Is that old trainline running past the arena site still in use?

[Stifler]

Just now, Izakaya said:

Is that old trainline running past the arena site still in use?

No. Most of it is used as a car park now, what’s left of the line ends just past the arena.

[patrone]

23 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Arena is going as far as I’m aware. 
 

Just buy up all this land. It’ll be enough. 
 

 

 

A new bridge over to Gateshead side also, plenty of land there for a car park/fans area, with easy links to A1

 

I'll give me vote to the old arena area for a new stadium, the old ground/land will end up used for student accommodation regardless 

[BigValley]

What about the river on the picture? What if the river floods and it goes up over a 1 meter or more.

I am from Norway and can not see the picture good enough. 

[TBG]

12 minutes ago, BigValley said:

What about the river on the picture? What if the river floods and it goes up over a 1 meter or more.

I am from Norway and can not see the picture good enough. 

 

We'd be fine

 

[patrone]

13 minutes ago, BigValley said:

What about the river on the picture? What if the river floods and it goes up over a 1 meter or more.

I am from Norway and can not see the picture good enough. 

 

 

Big floats 

 

[Orphanage]

On 07/12/2023 at 11:06, ponsaelius said:

 

 

The fact it's on a slope barely matters, re-contouring it to deliver a stadium is perfectly feasible considering the level of remediation and groundwork that would be required anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

The slope ...

[madras]

8 hours ago, Izakaya said:

Is that old trainline running past the arena site still in use?

Technically yes but I don't think anythings been that far down for years. The portion of it to about the Redheugh bridge is regularly used.

[bobbydazzla]

4 hours ago, BigValley said:

What about the river on the picture? What if the river floods and it goes up over a 1 meter or more.

I am from Norway and can not see the picture good enough. 

Is it feasible the river could rise so high that it would leave the atmosphere ?

[Pancrate1892]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

Is it feasible the river could rise so high that it would leave the atmosphere ?

Yes. It would also consume leazers terrace and the new stack. The fish would swim as high as Hadrian's tower 

[TheBrownBottle]

The ‘it’s on a slope’ line is my favourite.

 

The SJP pitch itself is sloping, there’s something like a 10 metre drop from the Leazes to the Gallowgate.  Photos of the old Gallowgate make it easy to see:

 

(also, this is what the Gallowgate looked like until 1994-95 - which is why plenty of us don’t get overly misty-eyed over the idea of leaving SJP.  We don’t play in the same ground as we did a few decades ago)