mrmojorisin75 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Anyone voting Martins based on a relatively small number of performances, with no real consistency, is a mental. A mental. an outright fucken lunatic...howling at the moon and chasing passing cars type nutjob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Was never, ever, ever, going to happen. Ever. unlikely, agreed, but that wasn't really my point - anyhow a 20m bid is a 20m bid, is it not? rooney himself said he turned us down so there was something there but once a professionally run club like man u came along obviously not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Was never, ever, ever, going to happen. Ever. unlikely, agreed, but that wasn't really my point - anyhow a 20m bid is a 20m bid, is it not? rooney himself said he turned us down so there was something there but once a professionally run club like man u came along obviously not I never bought the bid thing. It stank, for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great 17 goals in 26 league matches. Compared to Rooney's 10 in 29. Still want to bet it's not great? And remember, Ronaldinho is supposedly having a dire season . To put it bluntly, if Ronaldinho is the Premiership, Rooney is league 2. it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... As a forward, Rooney will never be fit to clean Shearer's boots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great 17 goals in 26 league matches. Compared to Rooney's 10 in 29. Still want to bet it's not great? And remember, Ronaldinho is supposedly having a dire season . To put it bluntly, if Ronaldinho is the Premiership, Rooney is league 2. it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... As a forward, Rooney will never be fit to clean Shearer's boots. rooney is suppsoed to be having a dire season unless you hadn't noticed... surprised ronaldinho has got so many as it happens no-one mentioned shearer and i didn't talk about rooney purely as a striker, i think that's where you're missing the point big time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Was never, ever, ever, going to happen. Ever. unlikely, agreed, but that wasn't really my point - anyhow a 20m bid is a 20m bid, is it not? rooney himself said he turned us down so there was something there but once a professionally run club like man u came along obviously not I never bought the bid thing. It stank, for me. it did to me too 'til i read an interview with rooney admitting he would have gone to SJP if ferguson hadn't come in....the bid was on the table and he wanted out of everton so would have come, therefore must have existed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 What side of the street Martins parks his car should not even be an issue in this debate. I don't see how it could possibly matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 What sort of idiot would pick Oba ahead of Rooney?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'm guessing the "idiots" who have watched Rooney from 2005 onwards. He is lightyears away from the player he was > 2005, when he actually was the best young player in the world. I assume everyone who is picking Rooney has confidence he'll hit that form again on a consistent basis, but I have my doubts. I, personally, think we have a real gem in our hands in Martins and he's only going to get better with age and experience in the Prem. With the right coaching, he'll be a world beater by 25. Oh, wait...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Was never, ever, ever, going to happen. Ever. unlikely, agreed, but that wasn't really my point - anyhow a 20m bid is a 20m bid, is it not? rooney himself said he turned us down so there was something there but once a professionally run club like man u came along obviously not I never bought the bid thing. It stank, for me. it did to me too 'til i read an interview with rooney admitting he would have gone to SJP if ferguson hadn't come in....the bid was on the table and he wanted out of everton so would have come, therefore must have existed? Personally think it was completely genuine. I remember reading the papers a few days, or a week or so, before we made the first bid, when ManU's [vice]chairman at the time, Gil, stated categorically that ManU did not have the money to buy Rooney that summer. Shepherd moved pretty soon after that, and ManU ended up using the following season's transfer budget to sign Rooney, which Shepherd was probably hoping they wouldnt do (or didnt think about it as a possibility). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 both have huge talent, but i think rooney has a better football brain, and this is whats needed at higher lvl play. as one commentator said last week....the CL is like football chess. At the highest lvls you cant survive on raw ability and talent alone. I dont htink rooney or martins are close to their zenith yet.....we have to hope that martins has mucho development left in the locker!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I remember Shotgun Mick broke the news about us bidding for Rooney the day before Everton made it public and was ridiculed by the masses. Humble pie all round tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Rooney is nowhere near the level you suggest. I would have him as one of the top 10 players in the world in his age group, but he's a long way from being the undisputed best of this era in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 jesus christ this is nonsense - anyone with eyes and who knows the game of football cannot for one second start taking rooney apart, just watch him and it should tell you all you need to know the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great....that's what samuel eto'o is for....players like this come along once in a generation and it's such a fucken typical english thing to do to start ripping the boy up 'cause he's not winning games single handed week in week out it makes me sad to say this but im almost glad rooney didn't come to SJP at times 'cause this lad has the potential to be the greatest english player there has ever been and we would have simply ruined him before he was 24.... martins is a good striker, i actually believe he'll become a glorious one, but to consider in fantasy land that you'd keep him over rooney can only mean you're either blind or have a single figure IQ Rooney is nowhere near the level you suggest. I would have him as one of the top 10 players in the world in his age group, but he's a long way from being the undisputed best of this era in football. He hasn't really said that though tbf. He's right about players like that only coming along once a generation - Gazza was the last player England had with that much natural talent. It's why when we were supposedly bidding for him (whether it was genuine or not) I couldn't understand the people posting "But we NEED a centre half!" when we were bidding for a lad that, as a teenager, had already realised more potential than most players ever show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 How has he not said that? He didn't confine his statement to just England did he? If that's what he meant I am inclined to agree, although you never know if other talents will come in in the next few years to claim the honour of being the best of this generation.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Can't disagree with you to be honest; Rooney has rarely performed at International level either............... I might be getting whooshed, but wasn't he England's best player at the last Euro's? He was shredding defences before he broke his foot. Also, it's impossible to 'can't disagree'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Has he scored in a competitive International since Euro 2004? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_guv_nor Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Has he scored in a competitive International since Euro 2004? he must be sh*t then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Christ, I'm amazed it's that close. Martins was a good buy, but he'll never, ever be as good as Rooney. Martins is quicker, but Rooney is more skilful, has a far better football brain, can head the ball better, pass it better, is a better finisher, takes free kicks - is better in every other respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 the boy is a genius - why not sit and list ronaldinho's goal scoring ratio - i'll bet it's not great.... i dont even like Ronaldinho that much, but I feel this comment should receive more mocking than it has so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 can head the ball better That just isn't true, Rooney is terrible in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Jesus weeping on a bike tbh. A truly incredible thread. I love Martins, think he'll be a superstar for us, but Rooney will ultimately prove to be one of the best players of his generation. He's having a bit of a slump by his own standards this year, but that's gonna happen with any player whose been around for as long as he is and is still so young. Some people have some short-ass memories. Rooney's vision, passing, movement, touch and finishing are all streets ahead of Oba, only thing Oba has on him is pace and is possibly better in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 can head the ball better That just isn't true, Rooney is terrible in the air. Disagree. Martins has a good leap on him, but he misdirects a lot of headers. Rooney doesn't head the ball that often, because he's usually the more withdrawn striker, but on the occasions I've seen him head it he's looked pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Martins is better because he plays for Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 This stemmed from a pub argument with my mate who is a ManUre supporter. Obviously there is going to be bias involved from both sides, but for me, if someone offered me a straight swap of Rooney for Martins, I would turn it down. Martins is quicker, at least as strong, better at using both feet, and can score from anywhere. In my opinion they are both very similar players, but Martins' pace and finishing just edges it for me. So, who would you have, given the choice? you're serious aren't you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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