James Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Many problems with a manager go away as soon as he departs. However, all managers leave a long term legacy that will cause problems for the next guy. For instance, Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength. When Bernard signed, Roeder had him on the weights. Owen, Bramble, Taylor, Ameobi, Pattison and N'Zogbia have clearly been on this regime as well, and it is a worry that players will have lost some of the speed and agility that was part and parcel of their game, as Roeder unsuccessfully tried to mould the team into a stronger unit. What else has Roeder left behind that we wont be able to fix overnight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 The coaching staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Simple if you look at the league table but for a 2/3 lucky wins we would have been relegated. *I don't want to make any more posts about that muppet*. > Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheOrder Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Many problems with a manager go away as soon as he departs. However, all managers leave a long term legacy that will cause problems for the next guy. For instance, Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength. When Bernard signed, Roeder had him on the weights. Owen, Bramble, Taylor, Ameobi, Pattison and N'Zogbia have clearly been on this regime as well, and it is a worry that players will have lost some of the speed and agility that was part and parcel of their game, as Roeder unsuccessfully tried to mould the team into a stronger unit. What else has Roeder left behind that we wont be able to fix overnight? Only person on this board who would ever come out with 'Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Roeder basically wanted 11 big strong no skill footballers, His team was usually of players who either have strength or pace, Technique was something he felt was not needed, and aside from Milner,Solano and Emre the rest of our players are all physical players who don't even know the basics of football like when to pass and when to hold the ball He ruined Luque, N'Zogbia for us and i guess both will be off in the summer, Luque never really showed anything in Newcastle mainly becaues he spent most of his time either injured or on the bench, or just out of the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Is this a make as many threads as you can about crap between T27 and James like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Many problems with a manager go away as soon as he departs. However, all managers leave a long term legacy that will cause problems for the next guy. For instance, Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength. When Bernard signed, Roeder had him on the weights. Owen, Bramble, Taylor, Ameobi, Pattison and N'Zogbia have clearly been on this regime as well, and it is a worry that players will have lost some of the speed and agility that was part and parcel of their game, as Roeder unsuccessfully tried to mould the team into a stronger unit. What else has Roeder left behind that we wont be able to fix overnight? Only person on this board who would ever come out with 'Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength' Maybe because I'm insightful. He's been banging on about upper body strength all year: "Bernard isn't heavy enough" "We've got Michael working on the weights." "Shola's spent a lot of time in the weights room, so should come back even stronger" "Bramble's injury allows us to givehim time on the weights" Have a look at all our players 12 months ago. Now compare it to today - they'll be heavier, and have larger frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Players who get injuries generally tend to do a lot of work on the weights though tbh, as they can't really take part in proper training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheOrder Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Many problems with a manager go away as soon as he departs. However, all managers leave a long term legacy that will cause problems for the next guy. For instance, Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength. When Bernard signed, Roeder had him on the weights. Owen, Bramble, Taylor, Ameobi, Pattison and N'Zogbia have clearly been on this regime as well, and it is a worry that players will have lost some of the speed and agility that was part and parcel of their game, as Roeder unsuccessfully tried to mould the team into a stronger unit. What else has Roeder left behind that we wont be able to fix overnight? Only person on this board who would ever come out with 'Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength' Maybe because I'm insightful. He's been banging on about upper body strength all year: "Bernard isn't heavy enough" "We've got Michael working on the weights." "Shola's spent a lot of time in the weights room, so should come back even stronger" "Bramble's injury allows us to givehim time on the weights" Have a look at all our players 12 months ago. Now compare it to today - they'll be heavier, and have larger frames. Insightful? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamesD Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 obafemi martins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeToon Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 He's been banging on about upper body strength all year: "Bernard isn't heavy enough" "We've got Michael working on the weights." "Shola's spent a lot of time in the weights room, so should come back even stronger" "Bramble's injury allows us to givehim time on the weights" Have a look at all our players 12 months ago. Now compare it to today - they'll be heavier, and have larger frames. Overcompensating. Just look at Roeder's little girly arms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 his legacy is the same legacy which he inherited from Souness. he failed to address the important issues, which were clear to everybody (center backs, full backs, creative attacker) The only thing we should be grateful to him for is bringing Martins, although i'm sure he preferred Kuyt at the time. He should've tried Luque and N'Zogbia instead of buying Damien 'never be the same' Duff, who we're stuck with now.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Two footprint shaped pieces of brown grass at the back of the technical area at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 What legacy do you expect from shit manager? What legacy will sir Alex leave after he is retired? What legacy SBR left at Newcastle United? Basically it works like this: shit manager=shit legacy good manager=good legacy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Minimum wage, peace process in Northern... oh wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Minimum wage, peace process in Northern... oh wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Saving us from relegation last season is Roeder's legacy. Looking at the bigger picture, I just feel the last 3 seasons have been a waste. Sir Bob should have been able to hand over a good squad to the next manager, but the succession was bungled. I can't help but think that Freddie's dream of Shearer taking over as a manager in the near future interfered with his thinking, and we ended up with two stop-gap, second-choice managers in weak positions rather than someone of the standing of Allardyce who could really take charge and shape things. Let's hope it's all over now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koven Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Many problems with a manager go away as soon as he departs. However, all managers leave a long term legacy that will cause problems for the next guy. For instance, Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength. When Bernard signed, Roeder had him on the weights. Owen, Bramble, Taylor, Ameobi, Pattison and N'Zogbia have clearly been on this regime as well, and it is a worry that players will have lost some of the speed and agility that was part and parcel of their game, as Roeder unsuccessfully tried to mould the team into a stronger unit. What else has Roeder left behind that we wont be able to fix overnight? Only person on this board who would ever come out with 'Roeder has been obsessed with upper body strength' Maybe because I'm insightful. He's been banging on about upper body strength all year: "Bernard isn't heavy enough" "We've got Michael working on the weights." "Shola's spent a lot of time in the weights room, so should come back even stronger" "Bramble's injury allows us to givehim time on the weights" Have a look at all our players 12 months ago. Now compare it to today - they'll be heavier, and have larger frames. And the problem with that is? Owen has already said he's faster now than he was before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Saving us from relegation last season is Roeder's legacy. And then putting us straight back in it If the premier league was 42 rounds i am sure we wouldve been relegated// Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 No European football will be of great help to Allardyce, one less distraction. That initself could be some kind of legacy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 The academy set up is certainly a whole lot healthier, who ever steps into the hotseat certainly has alot of work to do, but I dont think Roeder has done much damage to the club. In fairness he did alot of repair work from the state Souness got us in. The clubs in the right state for the new man to do whatever he likes with it really. For Big Sam its perfect for the taking, I just hope if its him he can bring the coaching staff we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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