Wullie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 If Faye arrives, I think he'll start more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 A player who was rated in the top half dozen or so in Spain Well that's just not true at all... But granted, Luque was a good player in La Liga, and hell, I was as excited as anyone when we signed him - but the fact is that, for a variety of different reasons, he couldn't cut it in the premiership; or at least if he could cut he never showed it. Faye has proven at Bolton that he can cut it, and that's the difference between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 If only we still had a centre-back squad of Taylor, Bramble, Moore and Ramage - eh? Ah, those were the days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye is still just an average player but built as AS likes them. Big and strong........ but so was Titus. As I've said before, at some point AS has to get out of the bargain basement but the question is can he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye is still just an average player but built as AS likes them. Big and strong........ but so was Titus. As I've said before, at some point AS has to get out of the bargain basement but the question is can he? Yeah far better we piss £11m up the wall on players like Luque.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye is still just an average player but built as AS likes them. Big and strong........ but so was Titus. As I've said before, at some point AS has to get out of the bargain basement but the question is can he? If the right player is available, he'll get him. See Enrique: hardly a bargain basement purchase. He's looking for PL experienced centre-halves as he's previously said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Comparing him to Titus man. He isn't an average player. Ask any Bolton supporter that. He's a rock in their team, versatile, fairly experienced and a proper professional. And a clear indicator of the major improvement of the defensive squad. He was a number 1 player in a consistently top 6 side last season, and we're bringing him in for a bargain price, effectively to be cover. Give over whinging ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye is still just an average player but built as AS likes them. Big and strong........ but so was Titus. As I've said before, at some point AS has to get out of the bargain basement but the question is can he? I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to buying from Bolton to be fair as he knows all of their players inside out. He not only knows all about Faye but he knows how best to use him, and Faye knows his instructions, tactics and what-not. It's a low-risk signing because he knows exactly what he's getting. Quite a few managers do this when they switch clubs, as Mourinho did (with mixed results) bringing Carvalho and Ferreira, and this makes even more sense because Faye has Premiership experience. I think Sam's policy of buying experience makes perfect sense, though in the DM position we already have that in Butt, and I think it's somewhere we should be looking for a younger player who will improve and may a regular part of the side for years to come. But you can't have everything, and Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye is still just an average player but built as AS likes them. Big and strong........ but so was Titus. As I've said before, at some point AS has to get out of the bargain basement but the question is can he? just getting pathetic now really.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Comparing him to Titus man. He isn't an average player. Ask any Bolton supporter that. He's a rock in their team, versatile, fairly experienced and a proper professional. And a clear indicator of the major improvement of the defensive squad. He was a number 1 player in a consistently top 6 side last season, and we're bringing him in for a bargain price, effectively to be cover. Give over whinging ffs. I'm not sure he will be cover, he might well be taking Butt's place over the course of the season. It seems he started out as a DM but Sam converted him to centre back and he mostly played there last season. But given Cacapa's pedigree (Lyon captain, Brazil caps) I think it'll be him (if he can stay fit) and Taylor with Rozehnal providing competition and therefore Faye seems to be a midfield signing with the added bonus of covering the defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Comparing him to Titus man. He isn't an average player. Ask any Bolton supporter that. He's a rock in their team, versatile, fairly experienced and a proper professional. And a clear indicator of the major improvement of the defensive squad. He was a number 1 player in a consistently top 6 side last season, and we're bringing him in for a bargain price, effectively to be cover. Give over whinging ffs. I'm not sure he will be cover, he might well be taking Butt's place over the course of the season. It seems he started out as a DM but Sam converted him to centre back and he mostly played there last season. But given Cacapa's pedigree (Lyon captain, Brazil caps) I think it'll be him (if he can stay fit) and Taylor with Rozehnal providing competition and therefore Faye seems to be a midfield signing with the added bonus of covering the defence. Cover's the wrong word really. It's just bolstering and enhancing the squad, isn't it. (Personally, i'd have him straight in the team at centre-back, we need creativity in midfield, not another defensive midfielder). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. A small outlay? 2M might well be insignificant in today's market but at the moment we still have not acquired a specialist right back. Is money the problem? Could we have saved 2M and use it elsewhere? There is more than enough physical presence in midfield (Smith, Geremi, Barton, Butt). By all account it won't be a bad signing, and I wouldn't complain. But by all accounts I think the time, energy and money spent on Faye should be spent on obtaining a new right back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 We'll have a midfield that is capable of winning the ball, no doubt about that. But I don't see anybody who is capable of doing anything with it until Barton is fit. Emre maybe, until he's injured again in a fortnight or so. But as long as you are happy and stump up your cash that's the main thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. A small outlay? 2M might well be insignificant in today's market but at the moment we still have not acquired a specialist right back. Is money the problem? Could we have saved 2M and use it elsewhere? There is more than enough physical presence in midfield (Smith, Geremi, Barton, Butt). By all account it won't be a bad signing, and I wouldn't complain. But by all accounts I think the time, energy and money spent on Faye should be spent on obtaining a new right back. I don't think Sam has a RB he wants to sign. He has obviously missed out on the target he wanted for RB so now I think he'll leave it until January so he had time to scout properly for a new RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. A small outlay? 2M might well be insignificant in today's market but at the moment we still have not acquired a specialist right back. Is money the problem? Could we have saved 2M and use it elsewhere? There is more than enough physical presence in midfield (Smith, Geremi, Barton, Butt). By all account it won't be a bad signing, and I wouldn't complain. But by all accounts I think the time, energy and money spent on Faye should be spent on obtaining a new right back. Don't then. The right-back thing's getting daft. He knows he could do with one, but he can't find an appropriate one and is satisfied with what he's got, so he'll spend what money he's got left on improving the squad in other areas. I'm sick of us signing shite stop-gap wing-backs, it's utterly pointless. Finally, thank God, Allardyce has changed the trend and signed a proper, long-term left back* for significant money - something that no one's done since Keegan. *That's the plan, anyway, which is more than every other manager had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. A small outlay? 2M might well be insignificant in today's market but at the moment we still have not acquired a specialist right back. Is money the problem? Could we have saved 2M and use it elsewhere? There is more than enough physical presence in midfield (Smith, Geremi, Barton, Butt). By all account it won't be a bad signing, and I wouldn't complain. But by all accounts I think the time, energy and money spent on Faye should be spent on obtaining a new right back. Hard to disagree with that, to be honest. Certainly if we spend £8m total on Smith and Faye - essentially luxury signings - then you have to wonder why nothing has been spent on a right back when it's not only a weakness in our squad but also a glaring weakness in our first team. I've said before I'd rather we stick with Carr than panic and go for Johnson or someone, but with the kind of money it costs to buy Smith and Faye and all summer to find one you have to think that there would be a right back out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I think we've all hit the point in the transfer window where we just want our squad done and dusted. A bit of closure will be nice come Sept 1st and we can all just relax a bit from all of the fun of the silly season Keep telling yourselves: Last summer - Sibierski, Bernard, Rossi. Then a little grin might might appear Get mr Faye in asap and then we can settle down and plan out matches properly with all players accounted for 8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 We'll have a midfield that is capable of winning the ball, no doubt about that. But I don't see anybody who is capable of doing anything with it until Barton is fit. Emre maybe, until he's injured again in a fortnight or so. But as long as you are happy and stump up your cash that's the main thing. Welcome to Sam Allardyce's methods. Nolan, Campo and Speed was hardly a midfield trio brimming with creativity, and he took them pretty high. And there's a fucking lot more quality from a tenacious/innovative point of view in a midfield squad of Geremi/Faye/Smith/Barton/Emre than what he had at Wanderers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Faye will strengthen our squad both in defence and midfield for a small outlay, and provide some much needed height and physical presence to the midfield and team in general. He ticks a lot of boxes. A small outlay? 2M might well be insignificant in today's market but at the moment we still have not acquired a specialist right back. Is money the problem? Could we have saved 2M and use it elsewhere? There is more than enough physical presence in midfield (Smith, Geremi, Barton, Butt). By all account it won't be a bad signing, and I wouldn't complain. But by all accounts I think the time, energy and money spent on Faye should be spent on obtaining a new right back. Yes a very small outlay, £2 million is pocket change in the current market. Also the fact that we had no problem cancelling Dyer's transfer despite just buying Smith a day earlier and then going and buying Enrique even though it looked like Dyer was going to stay tells me we do have money to spend. Obviously Allardyce doesn't want any of the right backs available at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 The people moaning about Faye (for £2m ffs, which is fuck all relatively speaking) will be quick enough to moan if Cacapa and Taylor get knocks and Peter Ramage turns up at CB in a big game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 The people moaning about Faye (for £2m ffs, which is fuck all relatively speaking) will be quick enough to moan if Cacapa and Taylor get knocks and Peter Ramage turns up at CB in a big game. Exactly. And if anyone needs to know what Ramage brings to the team then just ask AS9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 LB's: Enrique, Babayaro, Zoggy. CB's: Rozenhal, Cacapa, Faye, Taylor. RB's: Carr. Am I the only one that thinks any of our 4 CB's (assuming Faye completes move) could do a better job at RB than Carr? Add Geremi or Solano in desperation and maybe Sam thinks the position is covered until he gets who he really wants January or end of season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 LB's: Enrique, Babayaro, Zoggy. CB's: Rozenhal, Cacapa, Faye, Taylor. RB's: Carr. Am I the only one that thinks any of our 4 CB's (assuming Faye completes move) could do a better job at RB than Carr? Add Geremi or Solano in desperation and maybe Sam thinks the position is covered until he gets who he really wants January or end of season. Most definitely not. And that last sentence - provided Solano stays - also has some sound logic behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 doesnt faye play rb as well? or is that me being daft? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 doesnt faye play rb as well? or is that me being daft? Faye can play there, apparently, but it's not his natural position and I've never seen him there myself. Caçapa has played there a good amount in the past, but might not have the legs for it these days. Rozehnal says himself he can quite happily play "anywhere" and looking at him as a footballer I wouldn't be surprised if this was true (for the most part) because he seems to have the lot (to varying degrees.) And I think Taylor has had some of his best games for us in his admittedly short career in the right-back position. Geremi has obviously played there a good deal, mainly last season for Chelsea, and Solano has looked a better bet than Carr there most of the time. While a quality right-back coming in would be fantastic, it's really "ideal world" stuff that people have only really started demanding happen since we covered the problematic left-back area with Enrique. It's another case of "now, now, now" and "more, more more" as far as I can see, although I do agree it would be nice if we could get someone decent to play there regularly. We are looking for a right-back, it would seem, with the previous bid for Steinsson of AZ Alkmaar and the recent mooted interest in Belletti, but we might have to wait until January though to secure a player of the necessary quality. If Faye does eventually sign, I can't say I would complain too much if that was the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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