simmsy10 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I think this guy would have been pretty useful for us! Young CB with bags of potential http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2636734,00.html Have you seen him play? Saw him a few times whilst watching Spanish football, seems big, strong and hard to beat. But he's prob too young and inexperienced fro us at this time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongMag Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Alan Smith as a replacement for Dyer... probably not a bad signing IMO. Tad on the pricey side but it does keep the midfield (if you consider him as an attacking midfielder) fairly well stocked with options. A completely different kind of player mind you, but I think it's a good signing as long as we DO buy some defenders! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Why waste the £6m on just Smith than spend it on some defenders? We already have good strikers in Owen, Martins, Viduka, Carrol and Ameobi so why do we need Smith? The only thing I can think of is becasue he is a replacement for Dyer even though they are both totally different players. DEFENDERS Gemmill's going to start the body count soon, like. I like how he even put DEFENDERS in capitals at the end. I went through it all last night, but for those that weren't listening: Allardyce has identified the targets he needs to get in for the defence, and he has the money to purchase them. With the sale of Dyer he feels he is now a player short in that area, so uses those funds to replace him. There has been no change to his targets for defenders, because the ones he's identified are still the ones he wants, and there is therefore no reason for him to suddenly think "Wow I've got some extra money. I'll buy some defenders I didn't previously think I needed." That's the last time I'm giving this talk. Still a s*** replacement for Dyer. Must be better about than Alan Smith, specially for 6m ffs. Yeh, they're not like for like, but he's a decent(not great) replacement for, OWen, Barton AND Dyer (injuries and sales), i was completely against him being bought but thinking deeper its like purchasing 2/3 new players. £6m too steep but from Morts interview i get the feeling that money hasn't been the major issue, rather the personnel not wanting to come being the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samtoonarmy Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Why waste the £6m on just Smith than spend it on some defenders? We already have good strikers in Owen, Martins, Viduka, Carrol and Ameobi so why do we need Smith? The only thing I can think of is becasue he is a replacement for Dyer even though they are both totally different players. DEFENDERS It's not a waste, think Smith will prove alot of the people on this board wrong. He's not been bought as a striker as I can see it. We've got addition money for defenders (don't believe this 10 million thing at all... ) How can you be so sure that we have additional money to spend on defenders after this £6m on Smith? He wants to move from Man Utd to play first team football but I dont think that he will play first team football as a striker because Owen and Martins are above him in the pecking order in my opinion. The only other position he can play is in midfield so I agree that he is not being bought as a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Don`t know if this have been up before, but we`re supposed to launch a £3 mil bid on Fulhams Bouba Diop: http://www.fulhamweb.com/fulhamweb/news/result.asp?article_id=6654 I don`t think he`s Dyers replacement, but just anoter buy, as Dragutinovic, or? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Diop isn't a bad player, but after Smith, all I want is defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Bojinov was less than we're paying for Smith, basically direct replacement for Dyer, young and actually got some talent. And yeah he's a sexy player, but still a better player than Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Bojinov was less than we're paying for Smith, basically direct replacement for Dyer, young and actually got some talent. And yeah he's a sexy player, but still a better player than Smith. Ugly as fuck like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Bojinov was less than we're paying for Smith, basically direct replacement for Dyer, young and actually got some talent. And yeah he's a sexy player, but still a better player than Smith. Maybe we should have gone for Rhain Davis then, eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Don`t know if this have been up before, but we`re supposed to launch a £3 mil bid on Fulhams Bouba Diop: http://www.fulhamweb.com/fulhamweb/news/result.asp?article_id=6654 I don`t think he`s Dyers replacement, but just anoter buy, as Dragutinovic, or? I'd love Diop to come here! We certainly would be no push over in the midfield like the last few seasons! Plus it will give Emre the free role Dyer had, But Smith?? Nah he just doesn't fill me with any passion whatsoever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samtoonarmy Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 The money from Kieron Dyer moving to west Ham would probably cover the £6m fee for Smith... just realised :razz:Were therefore not really losing any money so that means there must be some money available on defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Bojinov was less than we're paying for Smith, basically direct replacement for Dyer, young and actually got some talent. And yeah he's a sexy player, but still a better player than Smith. Maybe we should have gone for Rhain Davis then, eh. More technical ability than Smith. blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 The money from Kieron Dyer moving to west Ham would probably cover the £6m fee for Smith... just realised :razz:Were therefore not really losing any money so that means there must be some money available on defenders. Yup. Some people feel that we should be using that £6million towards better defenders, but I'd rather take Smith and the defenders. Just think, if we do get injuries it means Pattison is less likely to get a game. Ideal. True. We should have 10 midfielders just to make sure Pattison don`t get a minute! Or a seccond! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 One point in my mind is would Alan Smith not seriously dislike Mark Viduka? I just remember in Leeds relegation season Dukes not giving 2 sh!ts whilst Eminem played his arse off. If it were my club going down and the 'star' striker couldn't give a rats ass he certainly wouldn't be on my Christmas Card list. For the record, I'm all for Smiths arrival, he'll score at least 5 more than Dyer in a season for less money and give us added bite away from home. Cult hero in the making Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sombrero Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 can i have the triple defender burger please with a galactico relish on top. that roma goal is one game, u cant rate a player based on his amazing performance in one game. if someone asked me how good i thought alan smith was, the first thing to come into to my mind is that roma game. dont get me wrong i do rate him, but i think its bittersweet because i recon id be alot more excited about getting him HAD WE ALREADY sorted out the defence (wheres D. rumsfeld when ya need him!). its like getting your fries sorted but you dont wana start eating them till your cheeseburger arrives! assumign you had the change for the cheeseburger in the first place! excuse the fast food chat im kinda hungry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Not complaining too much. Smith's an attacker/midfielder - Dyer was an attacker/midfielder. You can see the sense in it. It's an improvement to the squad as far as i am concerned, as i think people underrate Smith. Not to say i don't think there were better options out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 One point in my mind is would Alan Smith not seriously dislike Mark Viduka? I just remember in Leeds relegation season Dukes not giving 2 sh!ts whilst Eminem played his arse off. If it were my club going down and the 'star' striker couldn't give a rats ass he certainly wouldn't be on my Christmas Card list. For the record, I'm all for Smiths arrival, he'll score at least 5 more than Dyer in a season for less money and give us added bite away from home. Cult hero in the making I'm pretty sure that Viduka's performances, in terms of goals scored, did far more to help keep Leeds up than Smithy's. And he was so gutted he fucked straight off to their biggest rivals. Would be hypocritical to say the least if he did dislike Viduka for those reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sombrero Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Not complaining too much. Smith's an attacker/midfielder - Dyer was an attacker/midfielder. You can see the sense in it. It's an improvement to the squad as far as i am concerned, as i think people underrate Smith. Not to say i don't think there were better options out there. agreed, it is a sensible swap. but its a matter of days now till the 11th of august. i hate panic transfers! > Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 don't see a problem with this signing should it come off. competes for the midfield places, back-up for stikers, excellent work-rate and makes the side more aggressive, something we have missed since bellamy. the lad is a good footballer lets not forget and the only reason he isn't playing for man u this season is because of tevez, nani, andersson etc. good buy in my humblest, however, it is getting to panic time regarding the defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaun11177 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I would rather have bought Baines for the same money-this sounds like a panic buy-oh he's available lets buy him then. If the club were going to sell Ameobi i could understand it or perhaps this hints at Owen going in 6 months time. As for playing in midfield-never saw any evidence while at Man Utd that Smith could actually play in midfield. Fill in in an emergency maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 can i have the triple defender burger please with a galactico relish on top. that roma goal is one game, u cant rate a player based on his amazing performance in one game. if someone asked me how good i thought alan smith was, the first thing to come into to my mind is that roma game. dont get me wrong i do rate him, but i think its bittersweet because i recon id be alot more excited about getting him HAD WE ALREADY sorted out the defence (wheres D. rumsfeld when ya need him!). its like getting your fries sorted but you dont wana start eating them till your cheeseburger arrives! assumign you had the change for the cheeseburger in the first place! excuse the fast food chat im kinda hungry! I mentioned one game, but also said that I've seen him play well in many others. I don't really have the time to type up each time he's played well, so honed in one that you most likely would have seen to use as an example. I never judge a player based on one game mate, so try not to make assumptions that I am. Seen him play many times, think we he will get more goals than Dyer ever will in a season and it means we have quality in depth upfront and in midfield. Totally agree with you that I'd liked to have the defence sorted first, but do we miss out on Smith to another club if we can't nail the defenders first? - I'm confidnet Sam will get in the defenders before the deadline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeoStett Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 wonder if he can play left back? not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Not very sure/happy over the Smith for Dyer swap. First, If we're paying as much as we're getting, then don't think we are getting our money worth. If the argument is that Dyer is injury prone, then it can be counter argued that Smith just recovered from a horrible injury himself and we don't know for sure if he has recovered fully. Second I see Smith as a grafter, hardworking but limited midfielder/striker. Against a defensive team, he won't bring anything extra that can open up their defence, not the way Dyer can. Third, I've always believe that pace is crucial for any team. Doubt Owen is that fast anymore, which means the only pace we have left is Oba and maybe Zoggy (though the latter is probably not in the first 11). Replacing Dyer with Smith means we have lost an outlet for pace which to me at least is bad. Having said all that, if we are still gonna replace Dyer with a pacey dribbling midfielder (provided we get a LB and one more CB too), then I guess Smith is ok, only wish we had not paid 6 Mil, we are selling Dyer at a discount to market price and buying Smith at a premium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloydie Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 One thought, when the ball goes into the mixer for free kicks and corners we're going to be a nightmare to defend against. Stacks of power, aggression and finishing skills all packed into the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 One thought, when the ball goes into the mixer for free kicks and corners we're going to be a nightmare to defend against. Stacks of power, aggression and finishing skills all packed into the box. Good point, even Taylor has a decent finish on him from his time before he was converted to a defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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