Kieron Dyer

[OzzieMandias]

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing.

 

What on earth does that have to do with whether Chris Mort or the owner of West Ham has more credibility on the Dyer issue?

[NE5]

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing.

 

What on earth does that have to do with whether Chris Mort or the owner of West Ham has more credibility on the Dyer issue?

 

you can answer the whole post in context if you like

 

I'm not really sure you know what credibility means

 

 

[Guest alex]

 

Agree with jimmymag

 

I would add - with irony and don't really want to go over old ground but it deserves it - that if a different chairman had done this, then MICK [and many others] would be harping on and on about how embarrassing and wrong it is.

 

And it is exactly that. If we have lumped this fee on for the sake of it, it is bang out of order. And if Dyer has lost interest in the club, then shot ourselves in the foot too.

 

 

 

 

 

You're right, if we have bumped up the price for the sake of it then we would have been out of order, that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

it does, unfortunately.

 

 

Why won't you give the new board the benefit of the doubt just like you always did with the last lot though? Hardly seems fair.

 

Northern Monkey has said in post 777 what is in my mind, it makes sense.

 

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing. Unless you know more than he does about it.

 

Whether you like it or not, no manager complained about the last board like this. I want to believe they will back the manager as much as the last board, but just because I want to believe it doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to pretend that they are just yet.

 

What I say stands. If Shepherd and Hall had did this, they would be getting absolutely crucified by you lot, and whats more you know it.

 

BTW, the ex board had earned the benefit of the doubt in my eyes, because they had backed their managers and shown they had ambition, despite mistakes which of course nobody makes except us. If you underestimate the value of backing your managers, its your problem, people like me have tried to tell you for long enough.

 

 

That's fair enough. I think they've backed Allardyce since he made some noises a while ago though, which is reassuring. You're right about the previous lot getting crucified if this had happened as the press are suggesting it has. The difference here is that the club has kept quiet about the details of this, which wouldn't necessarily have been the case before. I'm not saying the board definitely played this one right by any means though, just that there is some doubt over the facts because they've stayed quiet. As with other matters regarding us in this close season, in the absence of being fed stories, the press have made things up. Usually giving a worst case scenario - Allardyce not having much money, Ashley all set to sell up, Owen leaving, Martins leaving, etc. All of which would appear to be bullshit.

[OzzieMandias]

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing.

 

What on earth does that have to do with whether Chris Mort or the owner of West Ham has more credibility on the Dyer issue?

 

you can answer the whole post in context if you like

 

I'm not really sure you know what credibility means

 

 

 

No, I was only interested in that bit.

 

You can answer the simple question if you like.

[Baggio]

Has Allardyce actually said that he hasn't been backed?

 

Btw Keegan threatened to walk because he wasn't backed like he was promised when he first took charge under the old board, Gullit walked because the board wouldn't back him over his dispute with Shearer, Robson also complained that Shepherd wouldn't back him when he wanted to sign Carrick, saying he couldn't have him because he had 12 months left on his contract but could have Nicky Butt who cost the same price.

[Jaehyun]

Class thread title!

[OzzieMandias]

Has Allardyce actually said that he hasn't been backed?

 

I don't think so. There were some grumblings early in the window about the new board not moving quickly enough, but that was all.

[quayside]

Has Allardyce actually said that he hasn't been backed?

 

I don't think so. There were some grumblings early in the window about the new board not moving quickly enough, but that was all.

 

 

Yes that was all he said.

The press then proceeded to write a load of stuff about there being tension between Sam and Mort/Ashley. It was never reflected by anything they said though. Funny how that all seems to have gone quiet now.... blueyes.gif

[Mick]

 

Northern Monkey has said in post 777 what is in my mind, it makes sense.

 

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing. Unless you know more than he does about it.

 

Whether you like it or not, no manager complained about the last board like this. I want to believe they will back the manager as much as the last board, but just because I want to believe it doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to pretend that they are just yet.

 

What I say stands. If Shepherd and Hall had did this, they would be getting absolutely crucified by you lot, and whats more you know it.

 

BTW, the ex board had earned the benefit of the doubt in my eyes, because they had backed their managers and shown they had ambition, despite mistakes which of course nobody makes except us. If you underestimate the value of backing your managers, its your problem, people like me have tried to tell you for long enough.

 

 

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

“We’ve invested well, I’ve spent more than I’ve ever spent this summer and I’m grateful for that,” explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. “I’m fortunate to have that, I’ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I’ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don’t, it’s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it’s about embarrassing them and it’s something you don’t get credit for. You’re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you’re something you’re not.”

 

 

 

http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_method=full%26objectid=19618467%26siteid=50081-name_page.html

[Mick]

 

it's a bit late for you to pretend being an ITK now

 

 

 

Maybe you know something different?

[NE5]

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing.

 

What on earth does that have to do with whether Chris Mort or the owner of West Ham has more credibility on the Dyer issue?

 

you can answer the whole post in context if you like

 

I'm not really sure you know what credibility means

 

 

 

No, I was only interested in that bit.

 

You can answer the simple question if you like.

 

Well, I'm only interested in replying to comments in their full context.

 

So hard lines.

 

You skipped the bit about your credibility too, but I expected that

 

 

[NE5]

 

it's a bit late for you to pretend being an ITK now

 

 

 

Maybe you know something different?

 

Maybe I do.

 

Like I said, it's a bit late for YOU to pretend to be an ITK, after all this time

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

?We?ve invested well, I?ve spent more than I?ve ever spent this summer and I?m grateful for that,? explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. ?I?m fortunate to have that, I?ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I?ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don?t, it?s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it?s about embarrassing them and it?s something you don?t get credit for. You?re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you?re something you?re not.?

 

 

Well, that conclusively proves that Ashley is little better than a fiendish reincarnation of Gordon McKeag, Mort is a liar and Magnusson is a model football club chairman.

[NE5]

 

Northern Monkey has said in post 777 what is in my mind, it makes sense.

 

Coupled with the fact that Allardyce himself has complained about backing. Unless you know more than he does about it.

 

Whether you like it or not, no manager complained about the last board like this. I want to believe they will back the manager as much as the last board, but just because I want to believe it doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to pretend that they are just yet.

 

What I say stands. If Shepherd and Hall had did this, they would be getting absolutely crucified by you lot, and whats more you know it.

 

BTW, the ex board had earned the benefit of the doubt in my eyes, because they had backed their managers and shown they had ambition, despite mistakes which of course nobody makes except us. If you underestimate the value of backing your managers, its your problem, people like me have tried to tell you for long enough.

 

 

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

“We’ve invested well, I’ve spent more than I’ve ever spent this summer and I’m grateful for that,” explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. “I’m fortunate to have that, I’ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I’ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don’t, it’s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it’s about embarrassing them and it’s something you don’t get credit for. You’re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you’re something you’re not.”

 

 

 

http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_method=full%26objectid=19618467%26siteid=50081-name_page.html

 

how come chaps like you riducule the Chronicle, then take bits that suit you

 

Never mind. I expect you will ignore this mind :

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premiership/newcastle/article2240973.ece

 

Whether the new owner will let me spend as much as Freddy would have is something we’ll find out come the end of August [when the transfer window closes] but there’s a few players I’ve targeted, either for August or when the window reopens in January, and so far, so good.”

 

and THAT, is all I have said. No more, no less. Quite amazing how you and others are jumping around just because a post isn't either totally anti-Shepherd, or pro-Ashley. But I expected that from the likes of you too.

 

 

[Cajun]

 

it's a bit late for you to pretend being an ITK now

 

 

 

Maybe you know something different?

 

Maybe I do.

 

Like I said, it's a bit late for YOU to pretend to be an ITK, after all this time

 

 

 

Considering we have a different board, manager, players etc etc.. I don't see how it can be "too late" for someone to be ITK

[NE5]

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

?We?ve invested well, I?ve spent more than I?ve ever spent this summer and I?m grateful for that,? explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. ?I?m fortunate to have that, I?ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I?ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don?t, it?s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it?s about embarrassing them and it?s something you don?t get credit for. You?re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you?re something you?re not.?

 

 

Well, that conclusively proves that Ashley is little better than a fiendish reincarnation of Gordon McKeag, Mort is a liar and Magnusson is a model football club chairman.

 

you can stop fiendishly dishing the dirt on your club to scumbag cockney journos who hate Newcastle now.

 

 

[Baggio]

Good old Freddie, whats another £30 million when you're already £80 million in debt...

[NE5]

 

it's a bit late for you to pretend being an ITK now

 

 

 

Maybe you know something different?

 

Maybe I do.

 

Like I said, it's a bit late for YOU to pretend to be an ITK, after all this time

 

 

 

Considering we have a different board, manager, players etc etc.. I don't see how it can be "too late" for someone to be ITK

 

suppose you wouldn't, like

 

 

[Cajun]

 

it's a bit late for you to pretend being an ITK now

 

 

 

Maybe you know something different?

 

Maybe I do.

 

Like I said, it's a bit late for YOU to pretend to be an ITK, after all this time

 

 

 

Considering we have a different board, manager, players etc etc.. I don't see how it can be "too late" for someone to be ITK

 

suppose you wouldn't, like

 

 

 

You do talk some bollocks all most of the time!

[OzzieMandias]

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

?We?ve invested well, I?ve spent more than I?ve ever spent this summer and I?m grateful for that,? explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. ?I?m fortunate to have that, I?ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I?ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don?t, it?s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it?s about embarrassing them and it?s something you don?t get credit for. You?re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you?re something you?re not.?

 

 

Well, that conclusively proves that Ashley is little better than a fiendish reincarnation of Gordon McKeag, Mort is a liar and Magnusson is a model football club chairman.

 

you can stop fiendishly dishing the dirt on your club to scumbag cockney journos who hate Newcastle now.

 

 

 

Easy. Never started.

 

But tell me, do you mean "scumbag cockneys" like West Ham United?

[NE5]

Good old Freddie, whats another £30 million when you're already £80 million in debt...

 

thats right. We could have been spending the last decade floundering in the lower leagues like Sheff Wed and the mackems to name 2, just like we were pre-1992. Just to prove such things are still possible when you have a shite board.

 

Oh. And facing extinction, or a club sold for a paltry 10m quid, instead of 130m, such was its value. Proven by the 1991 share issue that couldn't even raise the amount of money that we got when we sold Gazza.

 

Just the way to run a football club. No trophy players. Plenty of average ones. Ritual annual FA Cup humiliations against the likes of Exeter, Chester, Swansea etc etc .... selling our best players, and 20000 crowds.

 

I know that MICK will never acknowledge this, as he either doesn't believe it through not being there, or likes to continue to pull the wool over you younger lads eyes and have you believe differently.

 

Pleased you think we should have bought Miguel instead of Carr mind, increasing the same debt you are criticising.

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

Good old Freddie, whats another £30 million when you're already £80 million in debt...

 

thats right. We could have been spending the last decade floundering in the lower leagues like Sheff Wed and the mackems to name 2, just like we were pre-1992. Just to prove such things are still possible when you have a shite board.

 

Oh. And facing extinction, or a club sold for a paltry 10m quid, instead of 130m, such was its value. Proven by the 1991 share issue that couldn't even raise the amount of money that we got when we sold Gazza.

 

Just the way to run a football club. No trophy players. Plenty of average ones. Ritual annual FA Cup humiliations against the likes of Exeter, Chester, Swansea etc etc .... selling our best players, and 20000 crowds.

 

I know that MICK will never acknowledge this, as he either doesn't believe it through not being there, or likes to continue to pull the wool over you younger lads eyes and have you believe differently.

 

Pleased you think we should have bought Miguel instead of Carr mind, increasing the same debt you are criticising.

 

 

 

Yes, all highly relevant to the question of whether to believe our chairman and manager, or those of West Ham United.

[NE5]

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

?We?ve invested well, I?ve spent more than I?ve ever spent this summer and I?m grateful for that,? explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. ?I?m fortunate to have that, I?ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I?ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don?t, it?s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it?s about embarrassing them and it?s something you don?t get credit for. You?re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you?re something you?re not.?

 

 

Well, that conclusively proves that Ashley is little better than a fiendish reincarnation of Gordon McKeag, Mort is a liar and Magnusson is a model football club chairman.

 

you can stop fiendishly dishing the dirt on your club to scumbag cockney journos who hate Newcastle now.

 

 

 

Easy. Never started.

 

But tell me, do you mean "scumbag cockneys" like West Ham United?

 

or scumbag West Ham journo fans like Paul McCarthy ? Pleased you had something in common with him are you  ie dishing the dirt on your own

[OzzieMandias]

 

Allardyce on the backing he's had. 

 

?We?ve invested well, I?ve spent more than I?ve ever spent this summer and I?m grateful for that,? explained a manager who has so far signed seven players. ?I?m fortunate to have that, I?ve been able to invest more on transfer fees and more on wages and I?ve got bigger and better players. When you do that you have more quality, you can play better football. When you don?t, it?s about upsetting bigger and better teams, it?s about embarrassing them and it?s something you don?t get credit for. You?re doing it with lesser players and that makes you better than them. But it also means people start saying you?re something you?re not.?

 

 

Well, that conclusively proves that Ashley is little better than a fiendish reincarnation of Gordon McKeag, Mort is a liar and Magnusson is a model football club chairman.

 

you can stop fiendishly dishing the dirt on your club to scumbag cockney journos who hate Newcastle now.

 

 

 

Easy. Never started.

 

But tell me, do you mean "scumbag cockneys" like West Ham United?

 

or scumbag West Ham journo fans like Paul McCarthy ? Pleased you had something in common with him are you  ie dishing the dirt on your own

 

Paul McCarthy? First time I ever heard the name. Who is he?

[NE5]

Good old Freddie, whats another £30 million when you're already £80 million in debt...

 

thats right. We could have been spending the last decade floundering in the lower leagues like Sheff Wed and the mackems to name 2, just like we were pre-1992. Just to prove such things are still possible when you have a shite board.

 

Oh. And facing extinction, or a club sold for a paltry 10m quid, instead of 130m, such was its value. Proven by the 1991 share issue that couldn't even raise the amount of money that we got when we sold Gazza.

 

Just the way to run a football club. No trophy players. Plenty of average ones. Ritual annual FA Cup humiliations against the likes of Exeter, Chester, Swansea etc etc .... selling our best players, and 20000 crowds.

 

I know that MICK will never acknowledge this, as he either doesn't believe it through not being there, or likes to continue to pull the wool over you younger lads eyes and have you believe differently.

 

Pleased you think we should have bought Miguel instead of Carr mind, increasing the same debt you are criticising.

 

 

 

Yes, all highly relevant to the question of whether to believe our chairman and manager, or those of West Ham United.

 

don't worry about it oz son, I won't be sticking my nose into it to actively dish the dirt on my own club though