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I remember Derby were the big spenders in his first season. They were red hot favourites to go up that year Derby? Yeah. I am sure they spent a (relative) shed load on people like Martin Kruhl, Marco Gabbiadini, Tommy Johnson and some others. Sorry, I took you up wrong there.

I remember Derby were the big spenders in his first season. They were red hot favourites to go up that year Derby?

Do you honestly believe that it will put us into administration?

Has there ever been a more ridiculous statement ever posted anywhere on the internet?

Do you believe that Mike Ashley's running of the club is the biggest issue for us at the moment? I don't see in as simplistic a way as that, so no. There are many issues affecting the club, involving the actions of Ashley, the previous board, and the fans. No one person is to blame for the situation we find ourselves in at present. NUSC offer nothing at all to the situation. What do you believe the biggest issue is for NUFC? If you had to pick one. I've already said that there is not one single biggest issue facing NUFC. I don't have to pick one and I won't. Why do you feel the need to try and force me to do things that I don't want to do? I've given my reasons for not doing the things you want me to do, why don't you convince me that I'm wrong? I'm guessing that if you did pick a list of the top 5 things wrong at the club then Ashley would ultimately be responsible for most of them. Anyway, I'm not here to convince you, you're clearly not willing to change your mind about NUSC or consider that you could possibly do something yourself so I'll not bother.

Do you believe that Mike Ashley's running of the club is the biggest issue for us at the moment? I don't see in as simplistic a way as that, so no. There are many issues affecting the club, involving the actions of Ashley, the previous board, and the fans. No one person is to blame for the situation we find ourselves in at present. NUSC offer nothing at all to the situation. What do you believe the biggest issue is for NUFC? If you had to pick one.

Do you believe that Mike Ashley's running of the club is the biggest issue for us at the moment?

What I am saying is that this is the best opportunity in a long time to get a proper supporters' group up and running. You might feel that you wouldn't be listened to if you attended a meeting but as Dave says, if there were a number of people who felt like you and you all made your feelings known then you couldn't be ignored. There was no requirement to be a member to attend the last meeting so if youself and others feel so strongly about NUSC's aims then tell them without having to sign your soul away. You mightn't feel that you're being represented at the moment but I still think that NUSC is the best vehicle for change that we have and no one is saying that you have to join but if you really want change at the club then tell NUSC what you want and you may find that they will support your aims. A diversity of views and opinions will only improve NUSC imo.

But they're not simply an Anti-Ashley group. They've offered to work with the current regime on plenty of issues, they don't spend their entire time producing 'Ashley Out' banners. The question has been asked as to what have they done? Well not much so far, they're still a group in their infancy. If fans such as yourself got behind them and the momentum continued whereby they could claim to speak for thousands of fans then they could hopefully have more influence. Instead of sniping at them from the sidelines why don't you go to a meeting or offer your help to the committee? Your ideas as to what NUSC's aims should be aren't necessarily wrong but I think it would be a lot more useful if you put your thoughts to NUSC directly. That old chestnut again. It's like a fucking cult!! "So, you disagree with everything we say, why not come along anyway and we'll re-educate you err... listen to what you've got to say, why not try the drink this drink and join us on our trip to a new home in the Sun?" I don't generally join groups who don't stand for anything I agree with and have no intention of listening to my point of view, who in fact probably regard me as a traitor to the cause and hate my guts. Until NUSC shows that it has even the slightest intention of developing into something more than an Ashley Out protest group, I'm not even considering joining. I'm afraid they'll have to make those first few steps without my input. It's a ridiculous suggestion that those who oppose NUSC should join it, why do people keep making it? Why would I possibly want those idiots to have more influence? Perhaps Gordon Brown should try that tactic at PMQs: "So David, you disagree with what I've said? Why not join the Labour party and put your thoughts to the government directly? Only ten quid and you get a free key-ring!!11 What do you say?" Anyway, there remains the fact that they're doing a really shit job of running their club, how do their members feel about the fact that they've had only one real meeting in six months and that they still haven't told anyone what their rally is for? If I was a member then I'd be seriously pissed at what bad value for money I was getting. So you admit that you're willing to do fuck all then? You're not willing to try and influence them and you're content to sit on your arse while knocking others who are trying to do something. Fair enough then. While there is a lot I see wrong with how NUSC have behaved thus far, I see it as an opportunity to finally get a supporters' group together who may have a decent voice and I'm willing to give them a chance to prove themselves. You say your point of view wouldn't be listened to by NUSC, how the fuck do you know? You haven't tried. So sit behind your computer and snipe from the sidelines if that's what makes you happy but until you've tried to do something useful with your criticism I think it's a bit pathetic.

But they're not simply an Anti-Ashley group. They've offered to work with the current regime on plenty of issues, they don't spend their entire time producing 'Ashley Out' banners. The question has been asked as to what have they done? Well not much so far, they're still a group in their infancy. If fans such as yourself got behind them and the momentum continued whereby they could claim to speak for thousands of fans then they could hopefully have more influence. Instead of sniping at them from the sidelines why don't you go to a meeting or offer your help to the committee? Your ideas as to what NUSC's aims should be aren't necessarily wrong but I think it would be a lot more useful if you put your thoughts to NUSC directly.

Is it strange for a supporters' club to take issue with the owner if they feel the owner and structure are the biggest barriers to the club's success? I think all supporters' groups around the country would do something similar, it just so happens that NUSC was formed out of frustration at the club's actions. And I don't think the transfer spending is the only issue that NUSC have a problem with, there are plenty of other things the the club's management are doing wrong.

unlike people who debate on the internet. Who don't pretend to be trying to fix the problems where as NUSC get off thier arses in attempt to make things happen. In a way which alienates them from alot of fans, show themselves to be a anti-ashley group and fail to provide any solutions to the problems they come up with. I'm not sure if this point has been addressed already but I can't be arsed trawling through the entire thread. Tell me, who has the solution to our current problems? No one has as far as I can see. What NUSC appear to have done is offer to work with the current regime in order to influence and hopefully solve our problems together so while not being convinced about Ashley's intentions or ability to get us out of our current predicament they are at least offering to try work with the regime and present the fan's views in order to help find a solution.

Given that he hasn't actually paid out £17.8m on amortisation that figure is a little misleading (albeit technically correct). The best thing to do would be to look at the cashflows imo.

What a pack of shite.

I reckon he sees the urgency more than anyone else at the club.

I don't reckon there are too many of them still about to be offended tbf.

I've no idea what his plans are, but it doesn't say that to me at all. Looking for investors is pure common sense I don't read it any other way. More ammo the better imo. If you have the cash, why would you need investors? Serious question btw. Seems to me that you only need investors if you lack a bit of £££. Chelsea don't any, neither do Portsmouth, and similarly Man Utd don't.... however, Liverpool do. I'd say he has the cash, just isn't prepared to put in as much as it would take for us to get into the top 4. I'm really not sure about how a partner would work, it seems Ashley likes to do his own thing and make his own decisions, dunno if he could work with someone else expecting an input.

Can't see it happening with his injury record. Also can't see Ramos being let leave.

Yes. Did Chelsea stop Mutu playing for anyone else? It seems that once we tear up his contract we are in fact releasing his registration, thus making him a free agent and meaning that we have to go after Barton himself for the money, not his next club. That's my understanding of it anyway. Because we can sack him and stop him playing for anyone else for four years. Its not going to be that straight forward, naive to think it is IMO Agreed, his right to work is guaranteed under the Human Rights Act and we could be seen to be infringing on that right should we stop paying him and yet still refuse to let him play for anyone else. See Adrian Mutu. Yes. But Chelsea couldn't stop him playing for Juve could they? It seems that once we tear up his contract we would also be releasing his registration, thus making him a free agent. Meaning that his next club wouldn't be liable for any sort of transfer fee and we would have to go after Barton himself for the money as Chelsea are doing with Mutu. That's my understanding of it anyway.

Because we can sack him and stop him playing for anyone else for four years. Its not going to be that straight forward, naive to think it is IMO Agreed, his right to work is guaranteed under the Human Rights Act and we could be seen to be infringing on that right should we stop paying him and yet still refuse to let him play for anyone else.

Before they sorted out the new changing rooms weren't the home side in the smaller changing room at SJP? Something about Keegan wanting all the players to be close together when changing or some other homoerotic reasoning.

That is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read on a message board for quite some time.

He has played 37 time this season and has only recently been dropped following this alleged 'strop' so I don't think he can complain too much about not getting enough playing time.

Shite tbf.

I agree. For me SWP is just a better version of Lennon. There's a huge difference between those two unless I have made up SWP's exploits at MCFC, where he carried the team despite his young age. I have never seen anything in Lennon that suggests he is capable of being a goal threath the way SWP is.. yes I agree with this, the SWP at Man City is the real player in there and you don't lose that Like Duff at Chelsea and Blackburn? He certainly seems to have 'lost it'.