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virgin went down aswell.....didn't miss nowt as you can watch live online.

if its a metcarpal it's 6 weeks in plaster and possible surgery.

then he may have put in abetter cross to the ridiculously unmarked best or carroll.

absence makes the heart grow fonder...................plus we can't get rid of every central midfielder at the club or i'd have had guthrie on the list aswell.

nolan,r taylor, smith, pancrate, butt, ameobi. i don't know enough about the bottom 6 on the list.

2 doubles for tomorrow.... man utd/benfica AIK/anderlecht

the ref didn't have to send him off unledd he thought it was deliberate.......anyone notice that lovenkrantz wasn't bearing directly on goal either?

i'm sure you'll think of something to pass the time. f*** off. Bloody armed response coppers. Unbelievable, searched the bus, photographed and videoed us all and found f*** all then said that all the trouble makers went down on the train and were at Darlington, stupid fuckers! aye, there was plenty going hogans right outside darlo train station. i've had a text to say there's been a spot of bother in thornaby.

i'm sure you'll think of something to pass the time.

Said this a few pages back but then context is usually a casualty in these type of debates. The horrendous decision making of Ashley since buying the club has absolutely nothing at all to do with the previous Board, to suggest otherwise is a nonsense imo. There has been a litany of errors committed by Ashley that have nothing to do with the previous Board: For 2 seasons causing stagnation and uncertainty within the club. Demotivating the players by putting them all up for sale. Appointing Keegan, a manager unsuited to his plan. When attempting to implement his plan, making a poor appointment in Wise. Bringing in Kinnear on a temporary basis, resulting in yet more stagnation and uncertainty. Replacing Kinnear with a coach. Replacing that coach with Shearer, a temporary manager of a sort. Replacing Shearer with a coach, Hughton. No significant improvement in playing staff in preparation for the current season. A lack of direction from the top undermining preparation. Failing to really appoint a proven manager at all since the departure of Keegan. Complaining about the wage bill yet being responsible for much of it by calling the shots when the club signed the likes of : Viduka, Barton, Rozenhal, Geremi, Smith, Cacapa, Beye, Coloccini, Enrique, Xisco, Gutierrez, Gonzalez. Undermining himself by sitting with fans in the stands and by going around with "Smith" on the back of a Newcastle top. Creating the environment in which the likes of apparently previously settled players such as Milner, N'Zogbia, Given, Martins and Bassong all wanted to leave. Some of those were probably not on a massive take home, comparatively speaking and would have probably been of some assistance in the quest to retain PL status, lost by 1 point. Willingness to blame the supporters for everything. Appointing first Mort and then Llambias to an important role. There will be other blunders to add to this list but I've got something to do right now and this is all pretty much off the top of my head. Sorry if some of these are incorrect, I'm sure someone will point it out as a part of any debate. From the day Ashley took over the club until ~2 months ago he's been taking the club backwards and that is of concern regardless of whether he has recently decided to attempt to reverse that trend. Since the turn of 2010 Ashley appears to be steering the club in the right direction by allowing the manager to boost the numbers in the squad. Big Deal! and most of that had also been seen in the last years of the previous board. replacing robson with souness at a ridiculous time then replacing him with roeder running up the wage bill to well over 60%, not strebgthening when doing well and in a position to do so (bowyer). i'll ask you what i asked someone else on here a while a go, where was the money going to come from given that we were running at a considerable loss, and had little left to borrow against ? yes the club had gone backwards in ashleys 2 years but it had been going backwards since 2004 and you'll find a few people voicing the opinion that had fred and allardyce stayed we'd have went down that season. What on earth are you on about now? I've listed Ashley's mistakes because you and some others appear to think the sun shines out of his arse. I don't believe anything in that list of cock-ups can be disputed. I see you're trying to change the subject now so I'll only reply to your points in this single post, I've no intention of going over old ground with you that has already passed you by. I've commented on the timing of Robson's departure many times before and I will say the same again in reply to what is really a very poor criticism. Robson himself took up the manager's job at a similar stage of the season to when he finally departed. The timing wasn't a problem on that occasion. Why was that? Also, the previous Board had a record of buying players from a position of strength and they did so whenever possible, so we will simply have to disagree on your criticism in that area. so are you disputing those cock ups of the previous board. as for the sun shining out of his arse....take a look and you'll find most think he's kept the club going the way it had been since 2004. the difference with the timing of robsons arrival was that we were very lucky to have someone like him around and available. where was the money going to come from htl as you seem to have missed my question, give we were running at a considerable loss and had little left to borrow against ? One by one.. The previous Board made cock-ups, who says they haven't? Their underlying approach was to try to bring success on the field of play because everything else will come from that. As for Ashley keeping the club going the way it has been since 2004, well the relegation of last season and subsequent huge loss of revenue seems to have passed you by for some inexplicable reason. Glad you're now admitting the timing of the departure of Robson was irrelevant. Obviously you won't keep dragging that one up anymore. I didn't miss your question about money, I ignored it because it's irrelevant to the discussion, which is about Ashley and whether he's taking the club forward or not. Why do you keep asking me about where money was going to come from? What would this money be for in relation to my listing the poor decisions of Ashley and the fact he's taken the club backwards? It really does look like you're trying to change the subject for some reason or other. i keep asking that question because the position the club was in when he took over has to have relevence on where it is now and you and others can't see the shit hole we were in due to thinking the sun shines out of fred's arse (to steal a phrase) re robson, of course it's relevant. we were fortunate in that he was available and i'll drag it up everytime someone tries make out that fred and co weren't taking the club backwards from that time.

i think he has as its his only way to get anything back (and by that i mean limiting his loss) but it was his own fault he never took the time to properly find out the position we were in (luckily for us some might say). re colo and gutierrez.....they wouldn't have to be on those wages just enough to make them want to leave and play at a higher level...i'd be surprised if duff was on at fulham what he was on here.

2 trebles..... arsenal/munich/braga chelsea/northampton/olympiakos.

Have you made sure they dont play each other wouldn't matter if they played each other as it would mean each could overtake us but not all.

Said this a few pages back but then context is usually a casualty in these type of debates. The horrendous decision making of Ashley since buying the club has absolutely nothing at all to do with the previous Board, to suggest otherwise is a nonsense imo. There has been a litany of errors committed by Ashley that have nothing to do with the previous Board: For 2 seasons causing stagnation and uncertainty within the club. Demotivating the players by putting them all up for sale. Appointing Keegan, a manager unsuited to his plan. When attempting to implement his plan, making a poor appointment in Wise. Bringing in Kinnear on a temporary basis, resulting in yet more stagnation and uncertainty. Replacing Kinnear with a coach. Replacing that coach with Shearer, a temporary manager of a sort. Replacing Shearer with a coach, Hughton. No significant improvement in playing staff in preparation for the current season. A lack of direction from the top undermining preparation. Failing to really appoint a proven manager at all since the departure of Keegan. Complaining about the wage bill yet being responsible for much of it by calling the shots when the club signed the likes of : Viduka, Barton, Rozenhal, Geremi, Smith, Cacapa, Beye, Coloccini, Enrique, Xisco, Gutierrez, Gonzalez. Undermining himself by sitting with fans in the stands and by going around with "Smith" on the back of a Newcastle top. Creating the environment in which the likes of apparently previously settled players such as Milner, N'Zogbia, Given, Martins and Bassong all wanted to leave. Some of those were probably not on a massive take home, comparatively speaking and would have probably been of some assistance in the quest to retain PL status, lost by 1 point. Willingness to blame the supporters for everything. Appointing first Mort and then Llambias to an important role. There will be other blunders to add to this list but I've got something to do right now and this is all pretty much off the top of my head. Sorry if some of these are incorrect, I'm sure someone will point it out as a part of any debate. From the day Ashley took over the club until ~2 months ago he's been taking the club backwards and that is of concern regardless of whether he has recently decided to attempt to reverse that trend. Since the turn of 2010 Ashley appears to be steering the club in the right direction by allowing the manager to boost the numbers in the squad. Big Deal! and most of that had also been seen in the last years of the previous board. replacing robson with souness at a ridiculous time then replacing him with roeder running up the wage bill to well over 60%, not strebgthening when doing well and in a position to do so (bowyer). i'll ask you what i asked someone else on here a while a go, where was the money going to come from given that we were running at a considerable loss, and had little left to borrow against ? yes the club had gone backwards in ashleys 2 years but it had been going backwards since 2004 and you'll find a few people voicing the opinion that had fred and allardyce stayed we'd have went down that season. What on earth are you on about now? I've listed Ashley's mistakes because you and some others appear to think the sun shines out of his arse. I don't believe anything in that list of cock-ups can be disputed. I see you're trying to change the subject now so I'll only reply to your points in this single post, I've no intention of going over old ground with you that has already passed you by. I've commented on the timing of Robson's departure many times before and I will say the same again in reply to what is really a very poor criticism. Robson himself took up the manager's job at a similar stage of the season to when he finally departed. The timing wasn't a problem on that occasion. Why was that? Also, the previous Board had a record of buying players from a position of strength and they did so whenever possible, so we will simply have to disagree on your criticism in that area. so are you disputing those cock ups of the previous board. as for the sun shining out of his arse....take a look and you'll find most think he's kept the club going the way it had been since 2004. the difference with the timing of robsons arrival was that we were very lucky to have someone like him around and available. where was the money going to come from htl as you seem to have missed my question, give we were running at a considerable loss and had little left to borrow against ?

Said this a few pages back but then context is usually a casualty in these type of debates. The horrendous decision making of Ashley since buying the club has absolutely nothing at all to do with the previous Board, to suggest otherwise is a nonsense imo. There has been a litany of errors committed by Ashley that have nothing to do with the previous Board: For 2 seasons causing stagnation and uncertainty within the club. Demotivating the players by putting them all up for sale. Appointing Keegan, a manager unsuited to his plan. When attempting to implement his plan, making a poor appointment in Wise. Bringing in Kinnear on a temporary basis, resulting in yet more stagnation and uncertainty. Replacing Kinnear with a coach. Replacing that coach with Shearer, a temporary manager of a sort. Replacing Shearer with a coach, Hughton. No significant improvement in playing staff in preparation for the current season. A lack of direction from the top undermining preparation. Failing to really appoint a proven manager at all since the departure of Keegan. Complaining about the wage bill yet being responsible for much of it by calling the shots when the club signed the likes of : Viduka, Barton, Rozenhal, Geremi, Smith, Cacapa, Beye, Coloccini, Enrique, Xisco, Gutierrez, Gonzalez. Undermining himself by sitting with fans in the stands and by going around with "Smith" on the back of a Newcastle top. Creating the environment in which the likes of apparently previously settled players such as Milner, N'Zogbia, Given, Martins and Bassong all wanted to leave. Some of those were probably not on a massive take home, comparatively speaking and would have probably been of some assistance in the quest to retain PL status, lost by 1 point. Willingness to blame the supporters for everything. Appointing first Mort and then Llambias to an important role. There will be other blunders to add to this list but I've got something to do right now and this is all pretty much off the top of my head. Sorry if some of these are incorrect, I'm sure someone will point it out as a part of any debate. From the day Ashley took over the club until ~2 months ago he's been taking the club backwards and that is of concern regardless of whether he has recently decided to attempt to reverse that trend. Since the turn of 2010 Ashley appears to be steering the club in the right direction by allowing the manager to boost the numbers in the squad. Big Deal! and most of that had also been seen in the last years of the previous board. replacing robson with souness at a ridiculous time then replacing him with roeder running up the wage bill to well over 60%, not strebgthening when doing well and in a position to do so (bowyer). i'll ask you what i asked someone else on here a while a go, where was the money going to come from given that we were running at a considerable loss, and had little left to borrow against ? yes the club had gone backwards in ashleys 2 years but it had been going backwards since 2004 and you'll find a few people voicing the opinion that had fred and allardyce stayed we'd have went down that season.

i've gone for that aswell.

if some think the position that was left by fred & co has no bearing on what happened subsequently then it's pointless even discussing it.

It's because he doesn't really know what the hell he's doing, man. What on earth was the point in appointing Shearer, ffs? Is he really that deluded? It was a good decision when he didn't offer him the job permanently but I'd have been happier again had he gone out and appointed an experienced manager. Nowt against Hughton, who is doing a decent job under difficult circumstances. It does look like Ashley is getting better, but that's not saying much on previous performance. He needs someone like me to help him out. Here's something.... Mike, I already have a career job that I'll have to give up, but I love the club so I'll do it. I'll sign a 9 year employment contract with Newcastle United for £60k pa to help you out with your PR. Annual increases in line with inflation and a car will do it. You'll easily get that back from the increased attendance revenue just by me preventing Derek putting his foot in it every time he opens his mouth. hang on htl, wasn't the appointment very reminiscent of appointing another of our ex faves into the managers seat without any experience when fighting a relegation battle.

I hate Yakubu passionately, but the man scores goals in England. I'd welcome him, though wages could be a stumbling block. I don't see why Everton would sell him anyway, he's second choice behind of a striker with an atrocious injury record. his wages could be a stumbling block yet you don't see why everton would sell him when he's 2nd choice behind a striker with an atrocious injury record......haven't you just answered all your own questions ?

quite looking forward to the norwegian season as it's been a good earner for me the last couple of years. shouldn't have said that should I ?

the last 4 or 5 home games we haven't done that and we look like scoring freely each game. it's always been a bug bear of mine when people go on about the little large plan upfront as i can only really remember it working well for quinn/philips in that way.

any hints/tips/info fromkai or towelie on the scando leagues which are soon to start up. any teams strengthened/been decimated etc ? will rosenburg run away with things again and will the same three (molde/odd/stabaek) chase them ? will aik be able to keep it up or was it a one off and gothenburg will take over again,will kalmar get back to their position of the last couple of years ?

being fair to hughton it may be because of where we are in the league.

don't know if i posted it a week or so a go but i was talking to a norwegian in town (no, really) who said it was common knowledge in norway that that toon supporting rosenburg lad would be moving in the summer. deal agreed to come here if we get promoted, if we dont then he is off elsewhere. kai the zero....you heard owt ?

Throw out all your Futureheads CDs and Peter Kay DVDs. This is the way forward I think - symbolic hoying of stuff with remind you not to bet on their match again. Haven't got anything with Peter Kay and the only Futureheads I've got is in digital form. The symbolism of throwing a folder on my computer to the bin doesn't sound very dramatic Ahhh fair enough. Next season I might put it in my sig - "Teams who've f***ed me over this season" - with dates and that, as a constant reminder. it does still stick aswell. even if rotherham are taken over by a multi billionaire, they don't lose or draw a game in 6 years, i'll still not trust myself to bet on them.