Wullie

Why would Rayo have been accused of throwing the Sociedad game?

:lol:

I prefer to draw my conclusions from an entire appalling season rather than one meaningless afternoon like. Glad everyone enjoyed cheering on a group of players, and an entire club, who haven't given the slightest fuck about them all season though.

"Benitez has to take a look at himself" - Freddy Shepherd

Didnt Kane win? Rooney.

If he stays, he will utterly piss the Championship in the same way Routledge did.

Grimsby back in the Football League.

12 people picked 5-1 for their Sky Super Six predictions.

Fucking outrageous this.

Ridiculous.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bbynw 44:10

There's a real inferiority complex going on within our support judging by posts like this. Expectations have been smashed to bits over the last ten years. Says a lot that posts like this are being made, yet also concern over whether he'll take the bloody Everton job. I like the guy a lot but he is not some cast iron degree of success. No manager is in football. Why has this hypothetical poll got me going so much You'd be hard pressed to find another manager more likely to be successful with any given club than Rafa Benitez though, even with the whole fanbase against him, he delivered for Chelsea when asked to do so. A true pro and I agree that we'll never have a better manager, at least in my lifetime. Klopp maybe but that'd be 10 years down the road if at all. If Ashley sits in the back and gives Rafa the autonomy he gave the previous regimes then we get what we want - a club that tries, that is run well and there would be a chance for success. Ashley goes, and in walks in Massimo Cellino v2. It's a massive gamble, and a silent owner with Rafa Benitez running everything would be the best possible circumstance we could hope for. Voting A is just voting for revenge, which I understand, but take a step back from the 10 years of lies, s**** and comatose existence and realise what B would actually mean. Voting A is just voting for revenge? Do you think Ashley's changed or something? Rafa will be gone in two or three years at the most, and then it'll be business as usual. Elaborate. Because this will never happen. He's show time and time again that it won't. Such as ? Have you been in a coma the last nine years? The only managers he's hired who haven't just been stooges have been treated like s***, lied to, and forced out of the club. And hired by who exactly lol. Pardew was Llambias, McClaren was Charnley, Keegan is the only example of this. And this was when he had Dennis Wise telling him what to do. Llambias and Charnley were appointed to run the club in a specific way with specific targets. They've not been acting of their own accord. And if you need more evidence that Ashley's not changed, Lee Charnley still has a job. This is why if Rafa is given the job I think the only way he'd go is if he walked - there just isn't a history of sacking board members, even elevated club secretaries. If the poll were B) Rafa stays and gets screwed be Ashley in a way he hasn't messed around internally before, then obviously I'd choose A. B suggests Rafa will get everything he wants to build the club, and Ashley's history shows, Hughton aside as he was already here when he took over, that people he appoints are kept in power for as long as possible, and then some. That's because he purposefully appoints people who will do exactly as he says. Rafa does not fit into that category (but he certainly wouldn't be here if we'd had even five more points, it was sheer panic that got us asking about him) - neither did Kevin Keegan. Hughton was not at the club before Ashley arrived. My mistake - thought he came in during Allardyce. But I thought the poll would would have a semblence of realism, if Rafa would be appointed by Ashley, then a - Rafa would get all the stipulations he wanted, and b - Ashley wouldn't fire him unless something absolutely catastrophic was happening, like he'd be seen ripping SD hoardings out of the stands and trying to eat them. I don't doubt that if Rafa remains, it'll be if he's told he has control. Keegan was told the same and that quickly disintegrated. Once promotion is obtained, I would expect Ashley to revert to type. I don't see Rafa being fired either. I can very much see him walking though, and if they've been promoted by that point, Ashley won't care. I suspect he'd be delighted actually. Back to normal.

I'd imagine it'll have to be because it's potentially worth a lot of money to Bournemouth if they win. But then Man Utd have got a cup final next week. Interesting to see what they'll do.

There's a real inferiority complex going on within our support judging by posts like this. Expectations have been smashed to bits over the last ten years. Says a lot that posts like this are being made, yet also concern over whether he'll take the bloody Everton job. I like the guy a lot but he is not some cast iron degree of success. No manager is in football. Why has this hypothetical poll got me going so much You'd be hard pressed to find another manager more likely to be successful with any given club than Rafa Benitez though, even with the whole fanbase against him, he delivered for Chelsea when asked to do so. A true pro and I agree that we'll never have a better manager, at least in my lifetime. Klopp maybe but that'd be 10 years down the road if at all. If Ashley sits in the back and gives Rafa the autonomy he gave the previous regimes then we get what we want - a club that tries, that is run well and there would be a chance for success. Ashley goes, and in walks in Massimo Cellino v2. It's a massive gamble, and a silent owner with Rafa Benitez running everything would be the best possible circumstance we could hope for. Voting A is just voting for revenge, which I understand, but take a step back from the 10 years of lies, s**** and comatose existence and realise what B would actually mean. Voting A is just voting for revenge? Do you think Ashley's changed or something? Rafa will be gone in two or three years at the most, and then it'll be business as usual. Elaborate. Because this will never happen. He's show time and time again that it won't. Such as ? Have you been in a coma the last nine years? The only managers he's hired who haven't just been stooges have been treated like s***, lied to, and forced out of the club. And hired by who exactly lol. Pardew was Llambias, McClaren was Charnley, Keegan is the only example of this. And this was when he had Dennis Wise telling him what to do. Llambias and Charnley were appointed to run the club in a specific way with specific targets. They've not been acting of their own accord. And if you need more evidence that Ashley's not changed, Lee Charnley still has a job. This is why if Rafa is given the job I think the only way he'd go is if he walked - there just isn't a history of sacking board members, even elevated club secretaries. If the poll were B) Rafa stays and gets screwed be Ashley in a way he hasn't messed around internally before, then obviously I'd choose A. B suggests Rafa will get everything he wants to build the club, and Ashley's history shows, Hughton aside as he was already here when he took over, that people he appoints are kept in power for as long as possible, and then some. That's because he purposefully appoints people who will do exactly as he says. Rafa does not fit into that category (but he certainly wouldn't be here if we'd had even five more points, it was sheer panic that got us asking about him) - neither did Kevin Keegan. Hughton was not at the club before Ashley arrived.

If that were true why wouldn't Premier League clubs just snap up League 2 or the Conference's top scorers every summer for peanuts?

There's a real inferiority complex going on within our support judging by posts like this. Expectations have been smashed to bits over the last ten years. Says a lot that posts like this are being made, yet also concern over whether he'll take the bloody Everton job. I like the guy a lot but he is not some cast iron degree of success. No manager is in football.

I didn't say he wanted all of that, I said most. Anyway, one of the choices is hypothetical, the other is almost reality and a few weeks ago beyond most of our dreams so it's an easy choice for me. It's meant to be treated as a purely hypothetical question like.

Warnock

Fair point, I have muddled them up in the title.

That's quite a question to answer, and I'm not sure if I can provide you a list, but in simple terms, NUFC is a representative of the area in which I was born and raised and of which I am immensely proud. Outside of the area, i've found, that as soon as you mention you are from around Newcastle they immediately think NUFC. NUFC is central to the area and the community. Ashley has taken away it's identity, made us a laughing stock, and I take that very personally. Exactly. I'd be appalled if anybody NUFC as it is today was a representation of the city, the area or the people. I don't find anything at all to be proud of other than a history that existed before he arrived.

Beat me to it. To have a club unrecognisable from how it currently is, would suit me down to the ground. Tell me everything that our football club is to you? And I will tell you which ones will still exist if we're not fighting in one of the top few leagues. Personally I hate the owner, the chairman, the chief scout, most of the players, the state of the shirt and the state of the stadium. Other than a handful of players, the only people I don't detest at NUFC have been there about two months. What are you on about, the 'top few leagues'? If your concern is that Newcastle might find themselves in League 2 because the crowds drop, I really wouldn't worry about it. It's the direct response to whoever said they'd prefer to see in Conference North. Fair point.

Nice missed out on a CL place by 2 points. They'd probably have made it comfortably if the wheels hadn't come off for a month when HBA did his hamstring.

Beat me to it. To have a club unrecognisable from how it currently is, would suit me down to the ground. Tell me everything that our football club is to you? And I will tell you which ones will still exist if we're not fighting in one of the top few leagues. Personally I hate the owner, the chairman, the chief scout, most of the players, the state of the shirt and the state of the stadium. Other than a handful of players, the only people I don't detest at NUFC have been there about two months. What are you on about, the 'top few leagues'? If your concern is that Newcastle might find themselves in League 2 because the crowds drop, I really wouldn't worry about it.

Even if they tell Rafa that he can have full control, I don't think it will be long before they were meddling again in the same way they did with KK. I don't think they'd do it in the Championship - they'll fully want to win that, of that I have no doubt, but they'll want things back to normal once we get back in the top flight imo. I don't think he'd stand for it though and I'd expect him to walk.

I've been reading your posts since waaay before Ashley bought the club. You didn't seem to get much enjoyment out of it back then either. We can't all be the type of people who delude themselves that everything's briliant and absolutely insist that Steve McClaren is the perfect man for the job. I've generally been down on the club because we've been absolute s*** for years, under both owners. Not sure why I should have to justify myself where that's concerned. FWIW I was a big supporter of Hughton and Keegan and the bloke you increasingly seem to want to keep around on a "better the devil you know" basis f***ed them both off. I don't know how many times I have to say it. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST the notion of protesting. I just personally believe that... A) boycotting is the wrong way to go. B) as I've said over and over again, maybe going for the "low hanging fruit"... More realistic protests, more realistic aims etc might be the way to go. If they work, then look into whether you can go further (or need to go further). C) putting all your eggs into the notion that he'll pack up and leave if we don't go to the games for a bit seems a bit fanciful to me (based on all I've been told). D) most importantly, don't fucking talk down about other supporters if they don't share your desire to stay away. Not everyone has fallen out of love with NUFC as you say you have. Maybe not but from what I can hear when I watch the games, none of them seem in the slightest bit arsed about the state of the club. 90 minutes of either silence or mild grumbling and a boo at full time if they're still there. My advice to them would be to find themselves something better to do on a Saturday and it'll cleanse their conscience knowing they're not funding it. Certainly did for me.