BottledDog

Not sure that matters so much, whatever he does I'd cringe like fuck if we ever started chanting his name after all that's happened. If he has a decent time with his family in the stadium and makes the odd jaunt to the bigg market without getting excessive stick, that'd be progress, and he might just fancy lobbing some of his own onto a player or two again. /just no more Alan Smiths pls. Leave it to Carr.

1. Fabricio Coloccini The saga of the day. And the background is this. For quite a long time, the centre-half has been troubled by issues in his personal life. This being Newcastle, there are unsubstantiated rumours in circulation – which is not uncommon – but he has told the club that his discontent is connected to his wife being unwell, unhappy and matters related to do with that. He has a young family. As a consequence, Coloccini has informed Newcastle that he wishes to leave this month. Simultaneously, San Lorenzo, an Argentinian club that the defender played for, briefly, and for whom Osvaldo, his father, now works for, have conducted a very public courtship of him. They have spoken openly about not being able to afford a fee for Coloccini, but that they could pay him a decent wage if Newcastle rescinded his contract. Rescinding contracts is not the Newcastle model for doing business; it is about self-sufficiency. Coloccini only signed a new four-year extension in March (if his issues stretch back before that, as is believed, why did he do that?), and, at 31, he remains an asset. On the open market, he would be worth a chunk of money and Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias are simply not prepared to write that off. Why should they? In private, Pardew has been hugely supportive of Coloccini, urging him not to throw his career away, to remain on Tyneside until the end of the season, assist his team-mates in avoiding relegation and then reassess his options. The club, meanwhile, have brought in their lawyers to explain the contractual situation, to demonstrate he cannot simply walk. And yet he still wants to go. Amid all this, San Lorenzo have made no direct contact with Newcastle. None whatsoever. So when they announced on Wednesday that after “long negotiations” they had not been able to secure Coloccini’s signature and were now moving on, it is reasonable to ask who, precisely, those long negotiations have been with. It is fair to say that Newcastle are not impressed by their behaviour. So where do things stand now? On a knife-edge. Or a precipice. Or some other cliché. It remains extremely delicate. Coloccini has reported for training today, but whether he will be available, still here or in a suitable frame of mind for Newcastle’s critical match at Aston Villa next week is, at the time of writing, difficult to predict. And that, of course, would be another concern. Having just signed a desperately-required centre-half in Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Newcastle and Pardew would find themselves back to square one, because they insist that they have not been preparing for Coloccini’s departure. If he goes AWOL, they will pursue the matter as far as it can be pursued. The options, therefore, are he leaves and they chase him legally, he buys out his contract, or he stays. Depressing stuff. Everyone will end up looking like dicks if he just f***s off and we have to start legal proceedings againt an ex club captain. Hope Pardew can help get his head straight. I've a lot of belief that he's one of the few people who could. ? If he does walk, he is in breach of his contract, are we then entitled to cancel/block his wages ? I'd have thought we could fine him heavily as well, but depending on the nature of his issues it might mean a pretty ugly ending. About as far as 'elegant'* as you could get. *actually since the 'elegant' thing came from his dad, I guess we can discount that as bollocks now too.

His agent has already been on Tyneside for pre-contract talks. It will already be sorted. This a twitter fact?

Pre the Keegan/Wise fiasco? Yes. After that. No. I think the aim is that we will run within our own means and he'll have to subsidise us as little as possible. I doubt he's aiming to put any amount of money in out of his own coffers. No, not since his love for the project got a swift kick to the knackers (which yes, was to a large degree his own fault). He may come around to it again though hopefully. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110904040556/messaging/images/7/7d/Emoticon_fingers_crossed.png

1. Fabricio Coloccini The saga of the day. And the background is this. For quite a long time, the centre-half has been troubled by issues in his personal life. This being Newcastle, there are unsubstantiated rumours in circulation – which is not uncommon – but he has told the club that his discontent is connected to his wife being unwell, unhappy and matters related to do with that. He has a young family. As a consequence, Coloccini has informed Newcastle that he wishes to leave this month. Simultaneously, San Lorenzo, an Argentinian club that the defender played for, briefly, and for whom Osvaldo, his father, now works for, have conducted a very public courtship of him. They have spoken openly about not being able to afford a fee for Coloccini, but that they could pay him a decent wage if Newcastle rescinded his contract. Rescinding contracts is not the Newcastle model for doing business; it is about self-sufficiency. Coloccini only signed a new four-year extension in March (if his issues stretch back before that, as is believed, why did he do that?), and, at 31, he remains an asset. On the open market, he would be worth a chunk of money and Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias are simply not prepared to write that off. Why should they? In private, Pardew has been hugely supportive of Coloccini, urging him not to throw his career away, to remain on Tyneside until the end of the season, assist his team-mates in avoiding relegation and then reassess his options. The club, meanwhile, have brought in their lawyers to explain the contractual situation, to demonstrate he cannot simply walk. And yet he still wants to go. Amid all this, San Lorenzo have made no direct contact with Newcastle. None whatsoever. So when they announced on Wednesday that after “long negotiations” they had not been able to secure Coloccini’s signature and were now moving on, it is reasonable to ask who, precisely, those long negotiations have been with. It is fair to say that Newcastle are not impressed by their behaviour. So where do things stand now? On a knife-edge. Or a precipice. Or some other cliché. It remains extremely delicate. Coloccini has reported for training today, but whether he will be available, still here or in a suitable frame of mind for Newcastle’s critical match at Aston Villa next week is, at the time of writing, difficult to predict. And that, of course, would be another concern. Having just signed a desperately-required centre-half in Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Newcastle and Pardew would find themselves back to square one, because they insist that they have not been preparing for Coloccini’s departure. If he goes AWOL, they will pursue the matter as far as it can be pursued. The options, therefore, are he leaves and they chase him legally, he buys out his contract, or he stays. Depressing stuff. Everyone will end up looking like dicks if he just fucks off and we have to start legal proceedings againt an ex club captain. Hope Pardew can help get his head straight. I've a lot of belief that he's one of the few people who could.

Pre the Keegan/Wise fiasco? Yes. After that. No.

Pretty impressive.

On the other hand, they just beat Bradford. Are we better than Bradford?

Poor buggers.

Every chance of it sadly, depending on how the Colo situation plays out. There is no chance of it. Fooks sake man, quit jinxing us.

Yup, don't be going all Michael Owen on us Colo.

Every chance of it sadly, depending on how the Colo situation plays out.

OT This is a sig from one of the posters on there: What does that even mean? They pulled a funny. QPR even offered twice the number we offered. He wears 18 for them.

Strange reaction. What's up fella? Well do you think Pardew got what is take to make us a top 4 club, or close to that? And if so, how can we be were we are right now after the last season success? A top manager should be able to pick up results even without the "best eleven", because I think it´s a fact that you in football always will get injuries. Alternatively, you could take it that the negativity in the press is not what Pardew is portraying to the players, and that despite our lowly position we are still aiming high and attracting players who you could well see turning out for the clubs we are hoping to chase. Hey I agree that we've been s***, and Pardew has done little to inspire much belief going forward this season, but I don't see the need to mine negatives from every other interview. We have been trying to play better football but then when the doubts creep in, we fall back into our more desperate habits. Hopefully these new lads will give the team and Pardew the confidence to push on and start looking up again. I agree with this and this is especially impressive. I understand what you mean and maybe we should give Pardew another chance now when he has good players to use the second half of the season. I´m just so pissed off with all the talk etc etc when you can clearly see what happens on the pitch. I´m still pissed off with Ashley for sacking Hughton to bring in Pardew. I know Hughton isn´t a world beater, but he is still as good as Pardew, at least. There was no need for a chance. I know this isn´t Pardew´s fault, but it still makes it easier to have a go at him. But Ok. I should try and give Pardew the rest of the season. But if there is no improvement, then thats it. Fair play. Christ, let's hope for some improvement; None, and we're probably down. Sort your shit out Alan!

Can't see Gouffran starting. It's going to take him a fucking age to get used to the work rate and learn to track back if we are sticking him out wide.

Strange reaction. What's up fella? Well do you think Pardew got what is take to make us a top 4 club, or close to that? And if so, how can we be were we are right now after the last season success? A top manager should be able to pick up results even without the "best eleven", because I think it´s a fact that you in football always will get injuries. Alternatively, you could take it that the negativity in the press is not what Pardew is portraying to the players, and that despite our lowly position we are still aiming high and attracting players who you could well see turning out for the clubs we are hoping to chase. Hey I agree that we've been shit, and Pardew has done little to inspire much belief going forward this season, but I don't see the need to mine negatives from every other interview. We have been trying to play better football but then when the doubts creep in, we fall back into our more desperate habits. Hopefully these new lads will give the team and Pardew the confidence to push on and start looking up again.

Strange reaction. What's up fella?

Would still be massively shocked if we get this lad, now or in the summer tbh. Seems ripe for a hijack.

No, thanks but no thanks, a new manager is not needed right now.

After Pardew said the problem was not the worst a player has faced (or there or thereabouts) and the fact it's still rumbling on just makes it seem like whatever's occurred is less terrible that we first imagined. If that is the case then yes, if he wants an elegant exit, he needs to finish the season with us.

Six months too late to warrant licking his arse. Not sure how you've managed it, but you seem to be confusing this - with this - http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr175/disabile/EMOTICONS/asslick.gif

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. They only held all the cards if there was a ton of buyers out there willing to pay whatever they asked. Any final price is based entirely on what the buyer is willing to pay. What if they didn't want to sell? Then we might finally have had the fabled team of Geordies they kept banging on about. /sorry, thought the discussion was about how the sale price was decided...

Two French title winning captains in the team for the second half of the season gives me a hell of a lot more confidence.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. They only held all the cards if there was a ton of buyers out there willing to pay whatever they asked. Any final price is based entirely on what the buyer is willing to pay.