BottledDog

Cynical? No never. Ever the optimist me.

Oh for fucks sake. Come on people.

Agreed, there are all sorts of factors that might put a damper on any speculation that Allardyce is a shoe-in, as I pointed out in the 'get inside freddy's head' thread. Huzzah!

Talking of fighting talk. There has been absolutely sod all from Roeder today, and Alain Olivier has been quiet as a mouse. Is something stirring? ... and what exactly is the opposite of ominous? /random mode *off*

Yeah, seriously lads. How could it possibly matter if Roeder has lost the dressing-room?

And risk his job/position at the club. Top thinking batman. Like he did when he told a blabbermouth like you boy wonder? The papers protect their sources. As he is trying to do, no?

Well it sounded perfectly credible to me, if that's any comfort to you. Roeder is a dog's cock. Christ, now people are having a go at dogs cocks ffs.

If any fucker decides to applaud a lap of honour (if they dare try one) I think I might explode. It was bad enough when Souness stood like a cock in the center circle and the majority clapped the fucker after walking out the season before with Bobby.

The point is that whether true or not, it's sad that it wouldn't be surprising.

It is pointless trying to second guess Shepherd. I'm glad you are now entertaining the possibility that Roeder might not be worth persisting with, but I think that that is the only thing most of us can dare to agree on. Yes, Sam is an option, but I have no idea of the availibility of his backroom staff, the extent of the shadow of that bung probe, his personal reasons for his departure, the £5 million compo deal Gartside is banging on about, or any number of things. So to idly speculate that he is A) available, and B) our best option, when we know so little is a tad difficult. If Shepherd also agrees that (unlike Roeder) good managers make it difficult to sack them and that there is no point persisting with people for the sake of stability, then hopefully he will be finding out all these things, entertaining other possible candidates, and making a clear headed and informed decision. Not that I have much faith in him to do that, but he is the only one who can. Sorry I'm not being more helpful. Hate mornings, especially after games like that.

Fuck knows what the fat man is thinking but I hope he can look beyond just two options. There are other managers than Alladyce out there and a thousand other scenarios.

Thanks for that Glenn. Thank fuck that's sorted then... I suddenly feel so very calm.......

I hate Shepherd and Anal for accomodating the tossbags and insiting Roeder was the fans choice. Utter.. utter..... utter........ Bastards. Condescending, betting syndicate bollocks spouting, bastards at that. Speak for me do you? Fuck off you utterly inept and infuriating cocking parasitic jam sacks. /venting

I hate Shepherd and Anal for accomodating the tossbags and insiting Roeder was the fans choice. Utter.. utter..... utter........ Bastards.

Easy reason to have a bite, but you contrast that with Billy Davies yesterday. His side played ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICALLY SHITE, much like ours did, and yet he spent ATLEAST five minutes, going over to the supporters (who'd been fucking awesome all afternoon, like ours, we outsung them tbh) - and applauding them till he was pink in the face. Like i say, easy thing to have a go at, but these things count. I thought he could have at least shown them some thanks for travelling down on a Monday night to witness that surrender. I know, i'm agreeing with you. I know, i'm agreeing with you. I agree with both of you.

No. Get the best that we can possibly get in. I don't think I could stand another reactionary appointment. Allardyce is an option but without much of his backroom staff available who knows how he would cope. There are plenty of other managers that we could and should be also sounding out.

This.

He was never leaving anyway, was he? With all of the other signings we apparently will need to be making, finding a secondary right-back does not need to be added to that list. Roeder obviously loves him, as well. I'm not sure if "want" is the right word, I don't think we have any choice in the matter. We don't have any choice in almost any matter that is club business tbf. Nevertheless I wan't shot of Carr and Baba. If it is beyond Roeder to replace them, or if he has any amount of faith in them helping the club move forward, then that would be pretty disappointing in my eyes.

Taking transfer fees out of the equation, both.

I hope he was kidding. Difficult to tell sometimes. Oh come on.

Allardyce has been there 8 years and his net spend is less than what we paid for Babayaro! What has he ever won? What did Shearer win in his career? Did it equal his ability as a player? He won the Premiership Title with Blackburn. Is the correct answer. mackems.gif So he has less to show than someone like Phil Neville? Yes pissing myself too! Phil Neville is a very under rated and versatile team player. Can and has played right across the back 4 and as a holding player in midfield to very good effect. Different type of player to Shearer, but still a vital cog in a team. Arguement about winning stuff is about as manager not as player. My arguement is that Allardyce is touted as being the right man to appoint to acheive success for us when he hasn't acheived success (in terms of trophies) for anyone else and therefore in that respect has no better credentials than Roeder has. Quite a blinkered view though don't you think? How long was McLaren manager at Middlesborough? He won more trophies in his stint there than SBR did with us. Allardyce has built Bolton into a very good squad who know how to play against the best teams in the league, have great fitness and training programmes and thanks to him are around European qualification places. All without really spending anything. Roeder has got what? 3 team relegated and hasn't been in his jobs long enough to build anything at all. Just because both haven't won anything its stupid to say that makes them the same! Never said they were both the same, just stating a fact that Allardyce has never won anything and therefore has the same credentials as Roeder who also has never won anything. Given time and patience to build a team Roeder may prove himself with us (i don't think he'll get time and i don't think he's capable either even if he did) or he may crash and burn, who knows? Allardyce might come here, be given oodles of cash to spend and waste it on shite and also crash and burn. No no no no no. Not getting into an arguement on his suitability, but I can't let that slide. Roeder has been involved in 3 relegations. Sam got Limerick promoted as player/manager, Blackpool to their highest ever position and playoffs, got promotion with Notts County and has taken Bolton from relegation fodder to promotion, and established in the top half of the Premiership with ambitions in Europe. Forget winning trophies, one seems to habitually do well while the other does almost the opposite. So no, I wouldn't say they were particularly similar at all. Managers don't win things teams do. They can only guide and about another 1000 things have to fall into place and the stars have to be correctly aligned. It's silly all this debating about CV's and shit. Hmmmm, pointless judging managers on their relative successes? Righto. Astrologically, Alladyce has the Gods on his side, while Roeder clearly has the fates conspiring against him. I know which I would choose to play the Premiership lottery. Mystic Parky has "Star Sign" on application forms for jobs at his place.

Get in. I might actually buy a copy if that was the case.

Allardyce has been there 8 years and his net spend is less than what we paid for Babayaro! What has he ever won? What did Shearer win in his career? Did it equal his ability as a player? He won the Premiership Title with Blackburn. Is the correct answer. mackems.gif So he has less to show than someone like Phil Neville? Yes pissing myself too! Phil Neville is a very under rated and versatile team player. Can and has played right across the back 4 and as a holding player in midfield to very good effect. Different type of player to Shearer, but still a vital cog in a team. Arguement about winning stuff is about as manager not as player. My arguement is that Allardyce is touted as being the right man to appoint to acheive success for us when he hasn't acheived success (in terms of trophies) for anyone else and therefore in that respect has no better credentials than Roeder has. Quite a blinkered view though don't you think? How long was McLaren manager at Middlesborough? He won more trophies in his stint there than SBR did with us. Allardyce has built Bolton into a very good squad who know how to play against the best teams in the league, have great fitness and training programmes and thanks to him are around European qualification places. All without really spending anything. Roeder has got what? 3 team relegated and hasn't been in his jobs long enough to build anything at all. Just because both haven't won anything its stupid to say that makes them the same! Never said they were both the same, just stating a fact that Allardyce has never won anything and therefore has the same credentials as Roeder who also has never won anything. Given time and patience to build a team Roeder may prove himself with us (i don't think he'll get time and i don't think he's capable either even if he did) or he may crash and burn, who knows? Allardyce might come here, be given oodles of cash to spend and waste it on shite and also crash and burn. No no no no no. Not getting into an arguement on his suitability, but I can't let that slide. Roeder has been involved in 3 relegations. Sam got Limerick promoted as player/manager, Blackpool to their highest ever position and playoffs, got promotion with Notts County and has taken Bolton from relegation fodder to promotion, and established in the top half of the Premiership with ambitions in Europe. Forget winning trophies, one seems to habitually do well while the other does almost the opposite. So no, I wouldn't say they were particularly similar at all. Managers don't win things teams do. They can only guide and about another 1000 things have to fall into place and the stars have to be correctly aligned. It's silly all this debating about CV's and shit. Hmmmm, pointless judging managers on their relative successes? Righto. Astrologically, Alladyce has the Gods on his side, while Roeder clearly has the fates conspiring against him. I know which I would choose to play the Premiership lottery.

Allardyce has been there 8 years and his net spend is less than what we paid for Babayaro! What has he ever won? What did Shearer win in his career? Did it equal his ability as a player? He won the Premiership Title with Blackburn. Is the correct answer. mackems.gif So he has less to show than someone like Phil Neville? Yes pissing myself too! Phil Neville is a very under rated and versatile team player. Can and has played right across the back 4 and as a holding player in midfield to very good effect. Different type of player to Shearer, but still a vital cog in a team. Arguement about winning stuff is about as manager not as player. My arguement is that Allardyce is touted as being the right man to appoint to acheive success for us when he hasn't acheived success (in terms of trophies) for anyone else and therefore in that respect has no better credentials than Roeder has. Quite a blinkered view though don't you think? How long was McLaren manager at Middlesborough? He won more trophies in his stint there than SBR did with us. Allardyce has built Bolton into a very good squad who know how to play against the best teams in the league, have great fitness and training programmes and thanks to him are around European qualification places. All without really spending anything. Roeder has got what? 3 team relegated and hasn't been in his jobs long enough to build anything at all. Just because both haven't won anything its stupid to say that makes them the same! Never said they were both the same, just stating a fact that Allardyce has never won anything and therefore has the same credentials as Roeder who also has never won anything. Given time and patience to build a team Roeder may prove himself with us (i don't think he'll get time and i don't think he's capable either even if he did) or he may crash and burn, who knows? Allardyce might come here, be given oodles of cash to spend and waste it on shite and also crash and burn. No no no no no. Not getting into an arguement on his suitability, but I can't let that slide. Roeder has been involved in 3 relegations. Sam got Limerick promoted as player/manager, Blackpool to their highest ever position and playoffs, got promotion with Notts County and has taken Bolton from relegation fodder to promotion, and established in the top half of the Premiership with ambitions in Europe. Forget winning trophies, one seems to habitually do well while the other does almost the opposite. So no, I wouldn't say they were particularly similar at all.