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End of the day the papers are telling them £15m + SWP's, then why not £25m? Chelsea obscure prices for good players in this league. He's really only worth about £12m, but he's young & English, and Chelsea were supposed to be after him, Spurs wont sell him for anything less now.

They're fortunate to be 2nd, and saying that, 2nd in the SPL is as good as being second bottom, especially if Celtic are top and double especially if they're 17 points or whatever clear. The board, the press and the fans wouldn't/couldn't allow him a year or two to maybe get it right. Maybe if the players he'd brought in were showing up the ones he'd inherited then maybe he'd have been given more time but it was the other way round. The Rangers fans here at work are absol-fuking-utely delighted he's gone. Thing is he knew about 6 months before he started the job he would become manager, and clearly he didn't use that time sussing out the Scottish league. I know its not the best, but you need certain individuals to get you through a season in a league like that, and i dont think he got that part right. Underestimated the Scottish league? Maybe, maybe not, but he certainly didn't know enough about it.

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it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. Was this not boring enough for you, you had to quote it again you boring boring old man? Was this boring enough for you, you uninformed boring little boy. Again back talking shit, god haven't you had enough of making a tit of yourself on these forums yet? Unfortunately, I think statements such as agreeing we are shit because we haven't made big signings less than a week into January, when nobody else has either, is making yourself look like a tit. Or someone spouting cliches because you don;t have a mind of your own. Similarly, you are unable to take into account the amount of money the club has generated, and spent, over a vast period of time, which is considerably less than dozens of other clubs with better boards that have also run clubs that have appeared in europe dozens more times than we have before trying to tell us that we have a shit board in comparison to all these clubs. :lol: :lol: Who's the troll ie who's talking utter shite ? Your a walking talking cliche mate, in fact its painful to see you referring to Champ manager putdowns, its old hat, move on, get a life, you sad individual. Go back to your saddo ghost town boards, think of some more up to date insults and come back and play, ok? Tarra little man Well, shame but I think you should go back to your own little world where everything is perfect........ Once upon a time ............ :lol: If you try basing your "opinions" on fact instead of making things up and spouting comments just because others do, you might have better judgement. Question. Do you go to games ? If so, why, if you want rid of the board because you think they are so shit ? I can tell you now, and this is factual information, the last board at NUFC who were shit were got rid of because the ground was half full after spending decades of selling our best players and ending up with one foot in the 3rd division. So - the choice is yours. Your dad will tell you this is true. So - Stop going, and see if it brings a board who guarantee a board who will give you european qualification and trophies to match the only 4 clubs in the country who have done better than us in the last decade. Will you do it ? :lol: Do i want to get involved in a superbore super-board debate? Not really. I see your argument in practically every thread, but its boring, we all get where you stand, we have for months maybe years, but no one cares. It doesn't matter how many times your repost the same shit, people are not going to listen to you, even if you were the most righteous man on earth, everyone would rather give up supporting football (maybe even give up their lives) than agree with what you say. The despair squid of N-O tbh simple fact is, is that you don't want to because you have no factual reply, to both the posts and questions I have made. If someone like you could disprove the factual information I post, then I could not post it again. Fact. Enjoy your trip to fairyland and your Enid Blyton books. :lol: Simple FACT is, you'll twist any FACT or any comment to suit you are your boring argument. I simply don't have the patience nor the time to go into anything with you, nevermind your favorite boring subject. Its like banging your head off a brick wall with you, your like a woman tbh? Your not are you? blueeek.gif Would explain a fuking lot tbh!!!

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. Was this not boring enough for you, you had to quote it again you boring boring old man? Was this boring enough for you, you uninformed boring little boy. Again back talking shit, god haven't you had enough of making a tit of yourself on these forums yet? Unfortunately, I think statements such as agreeing we are shit because we haven't made big signings less than a week into January, when nobody else has either, is making yourself look like a tit. Or someone spouting cliches because you don;t have a mind of your own. Similarly, you are unable to take into account the amount of money the club has generated, and spent, over a vast period of time, which is considerably less than dozens of other clubs with better boards that have also run clubs that have appeared in europe dozens more times than we have before trying to tell us that we have a shit board in comparison to all these clubs. :lol: :lol: Who's the troll ie who's talking utter shite ? Your a walking talking cliche mate, in fact its painful to see you referring to Champ manager putdowns, its old hat, move on, get a life, you sad individual. Go back to your saddo ghost town boards, think of some more up to date insults and come back and play, ok? Tarra little man Well, shame but I think you should go back to your own little world where everything is perfect........ Once upon a time ............ :lol: If you try basing your "opinions" on fact instead of making things up and spouting comments just because others do, you might have better judgement. Question. Do you go to games ? If so, why, if you want rid of the board because you think they are so shit ? I can tell you now, and this is factual information, the last board at NUFC who were shit were got rid of because the ground was half full after spending decades of selling our best players and ending up with one foot in the 3rd division. So - the choice is yours. Your dad will tell you this is true. So - Stop going, and see if it brings a board who guarantee a board who will give you european qualification and trophies to match the only 4 clubs in the country who have done better than us in the last decade. Will you do it ? :lol: Do i want to get involved in a superbore super-board debate? Not really. I see your argument in practically every thread, but its boring, we all get where you stand, we have for months maybe years, but no one cares. It doesn't matter how many times your repost the same shit, people are not going to listen to you, even if you were the most righteous man on earth, everyone would rather give up supporting football (maybe even give up their lives) than agree with what you say. The despair squid of N-O tbh

who is Leazes ? Unfortunately Dave, if you look back through the thread, ToonsTaylor responded to me I didn't say anything to him whatsoever until he responded to me. WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! He started miss!!!! WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuking brilliant! Even better, but thats total bullshit as well, quality!!!

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. Was this not boring enough for you, you had to quote it again you boring boring old man? Was this boring enough for you, you uninformed boring little boy. Again back talking shit, god haven't you had enough of making a tit of yourself on these forums yet? Unfortunately, I think statements such as agreeing we are shit because we haven't made big signings less than a week into January, when nobody else has either, is making yourself look like a tit. Or someone spouting cliches because you don;t have a mind of your own. Similarly, you are unable to take into account the amount of money the club has generated, and spent, over a vast period of time, which is considerably less than dozens of other clubs with better boards that have also run clubs that have appeared in europe dozens more times than we have before trying to tell us that we have a shit board in comparison to all these clubs. :lol: :lol: Who's the troll ie who's talking utter shite ? Your a walking talking cliche mate, in fact its painful to see you referring to Champ manager putdowns, its old hat, move on, get a life, you sad individual. Go back to your saddo ghost town boards, think of some more up to date insults and come back and play, ok? Tarra little man

Well, I think the board would be better without uninformed little boys like you who clearly know nothing about the club or have a realistic view of life, or in the real world of football. Unfortunately you cannot be barred for thinking the real world is like Championship manager. SUPERBORE!!!!

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. Was this not boring enough for you, you had to quote it again you boring boring old man? Was this boring enough for you, you uninformed boring little boy. Again back talking shit, god haven't you had enough of making a tit of yourself on these forums yet?

I repeat, you are a troll, an annoyance to the board, the place would be much better off without the likes of your retarded drivel, unfortunately you cannot be banned for being a boring old fart. Shame.

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. Was this not boring enough for you, you had to quote it again you boring boring old man?

To the bank?

Oba has a lot to learn? Yeah, forgot he was 45 years of age, the old cunt.

Pah. Oh well, my title was better and I did some nice bolding.

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,34758.0.html Deja vu, Double Deja vu

Am in shock he's gone. Hope he got a hansom pay off and waits around till the summer and we move GR upstairs.

Forest or Sheff Wed.

Have you seen him defend or just the free kicks and crosses? He would be a liability in our team. Manu wouldn't use him for about 2 seasons, in fact they'd probably play him as a winger, and Wenger would need to seriouslt work on the lad before throwing him in. If we brought him here it would be a waste of time and we'd waste his talent.

Never seen such a small story on the .co.uk site bluesleep.gif Polygone Regular comedians at our club

LB-Paul Konchesky (worth a punt) RB-Luke Young (Worst game by a RB ive ever seen against Liverpool, but still worth a punt i suppose, trade with carr) CM-Youssi Benayoun (inconstant, dont need him and his position) CF-James Beattie (No more than £3m, worth a punt) Cf-Ashley Young (Rejecting bids of £5m, plus he is a right winger, we dont need him) Konchesky is worth a look at. Curbs sold him from Charlton and may now find himself pushed out as the two never got on. WHU didn't pay a massive fee, maybe a swap for Babayaro to keep costs down would be worth a look. Same for Young. Charlton fans are not happy with him, he's lost interest and we could for the right price he could move. However, nothing more than £3m for numerous reasons, maybe throw Carr in as well Beattie is about the best striker we can get for the £3m mark without taking a punt abroad. I reckon he'd redouble his efforts if he came here, and relaunch his career, but its a risk, but one worth taking imo. If the club came out with these three before the window closes, i'd be quite happy. Although i think there are better options about for the fullback positions, we neither have the money, nor the talent to broker the deals needed to secure the players, so maybe with WHU & Charlton in unsecure positions, we could take some advantage over them.

Brown is not the answer. He is too injury prone and just like Bramble makes mistakes that costs goals. We should however go for the LB from Marsbar, decent player, fantastic price.

OPTA have appointed SSX Tricky judges for December.

Spiffing.

Aye mate, and who will be responsible for that failure should it happen? Abramovich for backing Mourinho or Mourinho for not getting it right? Or is it just one of those things where there are so few trophies and no matter what happens you always need a bit of luck? Mourinho has already won a trophy. If he had appointed Mourinho and he didn't win anything before f***ing up, it'd be Abramovich's fault. Boring as F***, tbh. I expected better from you, even though we don't agree I know you're not stupid. Is that your reply? Abramovich has appointed a manager that has won him trophies. This confirms that Roman has appointed a manager capable of winning him trophies therefore he has done his job correctly. If it goes pearshaped from there it's Abramovich's job to either keep faith with him or replace him with a manager to take the club forward. If Abramovich decided to keep faith and it didn't work out, then it would be his fault. If he decided enough was enough and appointed Souness and Chelsea won nothing and finished 14th, it'd surely be his own fault? On what evidence did he make that appointment? He probably assessed his football club and assessed Mourinho's personality and character and decided that the two were compatible. Competence! Are we going to compare this to appointing Dalgleish, the defensive style manager, to manage the most attacking team in English football? What do you know about the Liverpool team managed by Dalglish? Or are you basing everything on his time at Blackburn? I see him as a very experienced and successful manager of 2 football clubs, success achieved under entirely different circumstances that indicated AT THE TIME that he could be a very good choice for us. Apart from the liar, I don't know anybody who thought this was a crap appointment at the time. So your defence of Shepherd is that he once made an appointment that people thought would be good but wasn't? So you don't think a manager who had won premiership titles with 2 clubs, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards is qualified enough :lol: Not the right man for the job, as he proved to be a FACT. Right? so what would your criteria be - apart from hindsight At that time it would have been not to appoint a manager with a preferred defensive style to manage the, at the time, most attacking team in english football. I've already said that. I know you find it outrageous that anybody feels that Dalglish wasn't the man for the job, but he proved he wasn't, therefore I can't understand that you seem to still think he was the ideal appointment. Also, if Dalglish was so awesome, why didn't he win anything for us like he was able to at the other clubs he managed? The manager had a proven track record, so there must have been something else holding us back. What was it? Of course, we didn't have a devine right to trophies because he was the manager, so don't throw that old line in, but if success isn't achieved there's a reason for it somewhere along the line, and as you're so adamant that Dalglish was the man, where does the blame like for our failures in that period? The idea was that, at the time, Keegans team needed "tactical astuteness" - not that I believe that sort of crap myself because I think teams should play to their strengths and that is "tactical astuteness" - but the ability to defend a lead etc etc was generally presumed to be the reason we didn't win the title and so a person who had done that and had the track record to back it up was the ideal replacement. We weren't to know that he was going to rip the team apart. Even then, if he had had time, who knows what would have happened. He also wasn't "my man", my man was Keegan. But the club had to move on. As you admit we don;t have a divine right to trophies, accept he came close. He was 90 minutes from winning the FA Cup. We have only done that 3 times since the 1950's. 90 minutes from being a legend. :winking: Would you turn down Wenger, Mourhino etc today, if so why and on what basis, would you not think their track record was relevant ? No I wouldn't turn down Wenger or Mourinho. Then again I'm not a premiership level chairman but if I was, I'd expect myself to be educated enough not to just chase any manager with the best trophy record. Why do you think Man Utd wanted O Neill when it looked like Fergie was going to retire? There are certainly bigger names that have won more trophies around. They could have even chased old Kenny D themselves, he certainly has a better 'track record'. I'll tell you why they wanted O Neill. Because if you're a capable premiership level chairman you're expected to make appointments based on character and attempt to judge their compatibility with a club. It's like on the pitch, look at Real Madrid in recent years. You can have the best footballers in the world, but if you stick them on the pitch it means nothing unless they gel. The same applies when appointing a manager to a football club. A good manager builds a team that gels on the pitch. A good chairman appoints a manager that gels with the club and the club's character. Are you learning yet? so you think that a manager who had won all the honours he won at a big city club like Liverpool, with fanatical fans just like us, didn't have the right character to repeat that success at Newcastle ? What about Benitez, does a dour character like him have the "right character" or do you think he's an extrovert like Shankly was ? Dalglish was a players manager in the dressing room and on the training ground, just like Keegan was, he had coped with pressure and the demands of a club always in the spotlight. You are simply applying hindsight. With hindsight he could have actually been given more time ........ and if he had won one single huge game he would have had more time. Why are you asking me questions about Dalglish's credentials for the job? I'm not running a premiership football team and I'm not pretending that I'm any more capable than Shepherd is? It's ok for me and you to discuss Dalglish and his record but can you sympathise with Shepherd for getting it wrong just because you or me thought it was a good appointment? He's a premiership level chairman, he should be more qualified than you or I at appointing managers, but the way you break it down is like "well if me and you thought it was a good appointment then how can we critisise Shepherd". Because Shepherd is paid millions to make these decisions so should therefore be better than yourself and I when it comes to identifying appropriate managers. Is it sinking in yet? why should he know better than me just because he had the money to buy himself a position on the board of the football club ? To date, the board have made on bad appointment that I can't figure out why they did it. Take note, THE BOARD. is it sinking in yet ? And, as we have been 5th best in our field over the course of a decade, I don't think its too bad. Is it sinking in yet ? Because if he didn't know better than you then surely he'd have the sense to hire a director of football, in order to protect his investment better? He's made several poor appointments, not one, because as I explained earlier none of the appointments paid off with a trophy. We should expect to have won a trophy, as expectations are set by the amount of money spent. We established this by pointing out that Man Utd/Chelsea both consider 2nd place failure. Therefore, as the next highest spending club, 5th should be considered failure. Right? But wait, we haven't been 5th since Bobby left. So we're currently even lower than our under achieving average. Appointing a manager with a good history with a good record doesn't make it a good appointment. A good appointment is only a good appointment when it pays off. Has any of the appointments Shepherd has made paid off, when you consider the high expectations (which relate to the money spent)? NE5? No response? hindsight is easy. If winning titles with 2 clubs, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards isn't good enough for you, how would you choose a manager ? Or would you pay no attention to track record and give the job to someone like say, Kevin Ball, because he is "determined" ? A competent chairman should get the right mix between character, track record and personality. Do you think by just referring to track record that this is a good enough defense for the appointment? If track record is the most important thing then why didn't Man Utd when they thought Fergy was going to retire, or Liverpool want the manager with the best track record? Why are other chairmen SIGNIFICANTLY better at identifying the best man for their respective clubs, despite ours being the highest paid in the country? Shouldn't he, in theory, therefore be the best in the country at his job? how many can you name who have qualified for europe more than us then ? How many can you name with higher expectations (which relate to money spent) I can name you a canny few clubs who were above us and spending more money for decades before the halls and Shepherd ? Why do you think that has changed ? And why do you think that those clubs are no longer above us? Is it because competent people were in charge and those clubs were ran properly but still managed to fall? Or do you think that something went wrong at those clubs somewhere along the line, was left unaddressed and the respective club's slide continued? primarily it is because we are run massively better now Indeed. And as we surpassed them, expectations went up. And as we spent hundreds of millions in a decade, expectations went up further, yet weren't met. Do you think it is acceptable to spend £100m-200m in just over a decade and not win anything? Would Roman Abramovich spend that much and consider being the 5th best club at qualifying for euope as success? If not, then why should other big spending clubs have higher expectations than you do for Newcastle? Do you think it's acceptable that this massively underachieving big spending club chairman should pay himself higher wages than the ones that win things for their respective clubs? that is precisely the point. The current board have raised expectations massively but you have to realistic and accept there are only 2 cups and nobody has a divine right to them. Chelsea and manure are also now in a league of their own financially. If nobody has a devine right to win them, why is it usually the clubs that spend the most that do win them? And to elaborate on that point, as one of the clubs that spend the most, despite not having a devine right to win one, why haven't we been able to win ONE SINGLE cup, yet the other big spending clubs over the past decade have won numerous cups? Well, you could try asking the managers why they fielded weakened teams in the league Cup ? Or the players why they bottled 2 FA Cup Finals and numerous other big occasion games Unfortunately though the board didn't play on those days, they had done their job by giving the managers the finance to build good enough teams to get there, good enough to play in the Champions League, unless you think Freddie gave a shite team talk or picked the wrong tactics ? But it's his job to appoint a man that will use the right tactics. Can you not see this? and its the job of our opponents to do precisely the same thing ? Can you not see this ? Go back to your criteria, what criteria would you apply to pick this man, someone who had got tactics right on a previous occasion, or not ? Yes, and MANY opposing chairmen have done the same thing, SUCCESSFULLY. Not all have appointed managers that have won things. But this comes down to expectations. Look at Bolton, they have appointed a manager that has taken the club to an over-achieving position. So therefore, if even the low-resourced Bolton chairman can appoint a manager to over-achieve, surely the highest paid chairman in english football should be able to appoint one that can reach expectations on some level? no, not many. Just a few. How do you know he is the highest paid chairman and what difference does that make to his footballing judgement ? I said this to you earlier, I would do it but I didn't and don't have the money to buy the club. Shame. Allardyce is a lucky appointment by Bolton anyway. He only got the job because he was a Bolton player and has his roots in the area. Well surely high wages are usually a reward for competence. Or is it, in this case, a way of taking money from the club and a sign of greed? Seeing as you think it's not a skilled job and anyone with money can do it, why don't you become a director of football, NE5? Run a club for somebody with the money. Tell me how many millionaires that you manage to convince that their money and club is safe in your unqualified unskilled hands. I would be DOF of football for Newcastle United anytime. I would also be manager and if I was, there are a lot of players at the club who would not be anywhere near SJP. There were lots more pre-1992 though :winking: Oh and Craig Bellamy would still be there. Do you think you could do a better job than Roeder NE5? A better job than Souness :winking: Who would appoint somebody that a member of the public could do a better job than? Liverpool ? Indeed. Now look where they are. Maybe we will win the CL in a few years then too. After appointing him, did they also appoint a manager plagued with relegation history? Or is that just NUFC? Well, Evans was promoted from the backroom and formed a double act with Houillier. Good planning of course. What do you think of Leeds, Arsenal, Charlton, Birmingham, Southampton, Man City, Leicester, Wolves, Norwich, Ipswich etc all going backwards in the last few years or in recent times ? I think Leeds was a similar situation to ours. I think Arsenal aren't going backwards and are actually in a transitional period after the loss of many big players (and no, the same doesn't apply to us and Shearer because we've been in decline for a long time before his retirement) and most of the other clubs I put down to lack of resources. Leeds and ourselves are the only two where you can realistically blame poor board room decisions and if we continue to decline at the rate we are, we'll be as low as Leeds are. I doubt it. And you are wrong anyway, as there are 87 clubs who haven't done as well as we have done, how can they be making better decisions :roll: Because they are making the most of their resources. Our board isn't. Get a PM. lol That's fuking huge!!!

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. All you've done is post & jumped on the word plan, you've offfered nothing to this thread apart from filler.