James

Not many fans are complaining about the quality of the players that Wise has brought in. And although you comment on his inexperience, he's actually part of quite an experienced recruitment team, with Jiminiez and Vitere. fucking hell can anyone tell me where i read something that clearly defines wise's role in events over the last week? and in the transfer team he works under? only thing i've seen so far is from wise when he took the job saying his remit was to boost the youth teams... i just want to know how wise has become the target? have either the lma or KK come out and said it was him? or is it only the papers we're now allowed to believe? That's a good point. Wise was part of a team, and it may be that he's being singled out as a convenient target. It sounds like the system is you have a coaching team, headed by Keegan, and a recruitment team, headed by Wise. Inevitably there's a cross-over between the roles, because the Manager has to be happy with the players that are being brought in. So both parties have to give their consent before a player is brought in. Neither is going to get their own way all the time. Keegan is claiming that a player or players were brought in without his consent. My problem is that I can't think of who that might be, because he seemed happy with the ones who were recruited before deadline day, he actually met Xisco before he signed and welcomed him to the club, and Fernandez was a loan signing who scarcely seems a resigning issue. If by 'I didn't want these players', he's actually meaning, 'I'd have preferred other players', he's making a rather misleading statement. That is why I am personally more angry with Ashley and Llambias. The recruitment team was working well, and for the first few signings at least, seemed to be working to KK's satisfaction. There were always going to be times when both parties didn't agree, and at those times, the chairman/owner should have been working hard to find a compromise. From the sounds of it though with Ashley out of the country leaving Llambias in charge, Llambias didn't bother to make any compromises, and just sent a letter to KK detailing all the small priont in KK's contract, essentially telling him to fuck off. I still believe that Mort would have found the compromise. yeah mort is missed now huh? seemed to know what he was doing, ostensibly anyway one thing the statement from the club makes clear, by the way, is the financial restraints the transfer people were operating under which suggests they've actually done a fairly good job imo You have to consider what the various people were actually doing on the final day. Wise was in Leeds, negotiating the £1.5m signings of three Leeds U17s. Jimenez was negotiating the transfers of Xisco, Gonzalez, and Schweinsteiger amongst others. Vetere had probably finished his work, but was probably around the place in case people needed his say on something. Llambias was at his desk, rubberstamping our dealings. What is clear was that Jimenez and Wise seem to be getting on with their day to day jobs of bringing the players to SJP. I believe that they were both doing what they thought was best for the club. If KK was unhappy about something he would have had to go to Llambias to ask for it. We all remember that he left last time because of a faceless, non-footballing individual in a suit. I believe history has repeated itself.

After seeing that statement, there is no doubt in my mind that KK had no choice but to resign. Any disappointment I had with Keegan for walking away from us once again has changed into a hatred of the current boardroom. The sacking of Llambias is a minimum requirement for me.

Not many fans are complaining about the quality of the players that Wise has brought in. And although you comment on his inexperience, he's actually part of quite an experienced recruitment team, with Jiminiez and Vitere. fucking hell can anyone tell me where i read something that clearly defines wise's role in events over the last week? and in the transfer team he works under? only thing i've seen so far is from wise when he took the job saying his remit was to boost the youth teams... i just want to know how wise has become the target? have either the lma or KK come out and said it was him? or is it only the papers we're now allowed to believe? That's a good point. Wise was part of a team, and it may be that he's being singled out as a convenient target. It sounds like the system is you have a coaching team, headed by Keegan, and a recruitment team, headed by Wise. Inevitably there's a cross-over between the roles, because the Manager has to be happy with the players that are being brought in. So both parties have to give their consent before a player is brought in. Neither is going to get their own way all the time. Keegan is claiming that a player or players were brought in without his consent. My problem is that I can't think of who that might be, because he seemed happy with the ones who were recruited before deadline day, he actually met Xisco before he signed and welcomed him to the club, and Fernandez was a loan signing who scarcely seems a resigning issue. If by 'I didn't want these players', he's actually meaning, 'I'd have preferred other players', he's making a rather misleading statement. That is why I am personally more angry with Ashley and Llambias. The recruitment team was working well, and for the first few signings at least, seemed to be working to KK's satisfaction. There were always going to be times when both parties didn't agree, and at those times, the chairman/owner should have been working hard to find a compromise. From the sounds of it though with Ashley out of the country leaving Llambias in charge, Llambias didn't bother to make any compromises, and just sent a letter to KK detailing all the small priont in KK's contract, essentially telling him to fuck off. I still believe that Mort would have found the compromise.

Watch the TV show Gladiators, we're the crowd.

Independent reckons it will be Zola, Poyet, or a Spanish speaker. We offered Zola a job in January.

Defeats the objective. As far as the moneymen are concerned, if you are protesting but still going into the ground, it's not going to matter. Doing your march, and then staying outside the ground for 90 mins will be heard much louder by everyone.

Realistically,it's not gonna happen. It would be difficult enough to raise the cash, and after the club has been bought, who is going to stump up all that extra expenditure that will be needed. Everyone would just fallout amongst themselves as usual. Would be better off campaigning for Llambias to be replaced by a democratically elected president.

If you really want to make a point with this march, make a point of not entering SJP, and stay outside all match.

Isn't there now some scheme where you give the box office a list of every season ticket holder in a group, and everybody in that group becomes a member of an official NUFC supporters group. Why not get together and form a huge supporter's group with some blatant protest title?

Will be difficult to get Marcelino as he has joined Zaragoza this summer. One name missing at the bookies is Gianfranco Zola. We have offered him a job before, and if his management matched his playing style we'd be in for a treat.

I really don't get this hatred of Poyet. Fair enough if you think he's too inexperienced for the job. But if people are going to hate someone from day one on the basis of the identity of their friends, or the fact that they scored against us nine years ago, or because they played for a rival club, then it is just going to make things more difficult for everyone. All that matters is the individual's ability to manage NUFC. It isn't unfortunately. You have to consider the individual's popularity with the fans, the media and the players. The next man is going to have a lot to do before the football becomes his priority. The media are irrelevant, the players would be won over by a good manager. That leaves the fans, and as I pretty much state in the quoted post, the Poyet haters would be their own worst enemy if Poyet was appointed. When the new manager comes in, I will give him the chance.

I really don't get this hatred of Poyet. Fair enough if you think he's too inexperienced for the job. But if people are going to hate someone from day one on the basis of the identity of their friends, or the fact that they scored against us nine years ago, or because they played for a rival club, then it is just going to make things more difficult for everyone. All that matters is the individual's ability to manage NUFC.

That's apparently ok. It's "continental". Funny how Jose was sick over the same thing. the only way i can see it working is if the new boss is totally ok with just being a coach and not having final say over transfers, someone comfortable with working with the likes of wise and jiminez. who would that be? Poyet? Aye, assistant boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and first team coach, Don Hutchison. Bit pathetic taking an unwelcoming stance against a manager who played well against NUFC once or twice.

Been inevitable for the past couple of days. Let's not try to blame the mystery player though.

Gianfranco Zola

Although it is now NUFC: Kevin Keegan S..... Someone think of a word that doesn't start with s or r that means 'remains'

Changed the title slightly due to the NUFC: Kevin Keegan r........ on the current topics bit.

No, this has actually come from an official statement from KK's union representative. saying what That KK hasn't resigned, and will be meeting with the board over the next few days. i know . Then why ask, fleabrain?

It'll be Poyet or Zola imho.

No, this has actually come from an official statement from KK's union representative. saying what That KK hasn't resigned, and will be meeting with the board over the next few days.

No, this has actually come from an official statement from KK's union representative.

Chris Mort was good at it. He gave a face to the day to day boardroom operations at SJP, and provided reassurance when needed. Now he's gone, we are left with a bunch of faceless mute cretins. yet said nowt. i'd rather silence than someone speaking for 10mins without actually saying anything. You've forgotten the period between Allardyce and Keegan. Mort did a really good job as the link between club and fans.

Chris Mort was good at it. He gave a face to the day to day boardroom operations at SJP, and provided reassurance when needed. Now he's gone, we are left with a bunch of faceless mute cretins.

Mike Ashley does not speak to the media. Derek Llambias does not speak to the media. David Williamson does not speak to the media. Dennis Wise does not speak to the media. Jeff Vetere does not speak to the media. Tony Jimenez does not speak to the media. When I say media, I mean through any kind of widely available source, ie the Official Site. Six owners/directors, and not one of them has bothered to open their mouths other to come up with anything other than some corporate bullshit, or some charity promotion. I am going to ignore Ashley's interview in the club magazine, as it is clear on here that the circulation of it was not good. The pressure to be the mouthpiece of the club was piled on KK, and it seems that he was only really allowed to speak for himself. Any statement from the club is faceless, we don't know who is talking, and who they are talking on behalf of. Chris Mort showed that you can speak to the fans without looking stupid and without giving too much away. It is about time some of our other directors followed his example.

None. I think you could level some criticisms at those aspects of the job being covered by Vetere and Jimenez, but it is impossible to say what went wrong and who was at fault. Assuming he is not overstepping his job description, I can't see where Wise can be criticised right now.