James

What a crock of shit, not one single decent chance on goal in 94 minutes despite fielding a good strikeforce. Our mentality away from home is shit, and our midfield selection is shit.

He's safe for now, but I'd say its borderline towards the possibility of a suspension.

What did he do? Studded someone in the groin.

Barton should be sent off.

Our biggest problem is that Barton keeps going to ground with no chance of winning the ball, and this is creating too much space for them.

Players ranked in order of goodness in the first half: Faye Harper Smith Emre Viduka Owen Taylor Rozehnal N'Zogbia Milner Barton

Ashley travelled with the fans in one of the coaches then.

Guy who posted this team yesterday said that it might be a 3-4-3.

Training as normal, so must be dropped. What I've noticed with Allardyce is that he seems to have some sort of buzzword each week which reflects the gameplan for the next match, and this week seems to be about Derby experience, he's playing players that have played before in wins over Sunderland, while apart from the two centre backs, all the other players have played in other famous derby games at some point.

I notice Admin have turned off many forum features in anticipation of forum blow-up later.

Viduka took full part in training yesterday, so that shouldn't be an issue.

He wasn't in any training photos, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't there.

Owen does actually link up with the midfield a lot better than martins when we are passing the ball around well. Martins relies a lot more on others than Owen does in my honest opinion.

That's the slowest midfield and attack I've seen in years, and Zoggy and Taylor as fullbacks?! Fucking hell, lets hope Carlos Edwards isn't 100% because he'll murder N'Zogbia if he is. 3-4-3 Is this something you know, or a guess?

No orange bibs in today's training pictures.

OMG, Owen has just admitted that he isn't great!!!!!!11! http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1164072,00.html

I'd love to see Mike Ashley do a pitch invasion.

Where are you hearing that?

Another one, easier, even though its older: http://www.skysports.com/fun_games/missingmen/0,20922,,00.html

Mike Ashley is going to be in the away end tommorrow.

I will love him because it will be an own goal.

I couldn't spell the 9 striker, and was confused with the full back positioning.

Difficult relevant one today: http://www.skysports.com/fun_games/missingmen/0,20922,,00.html

I can. I sometimes think it's the club's Achilles Heel - the inability of fans to see the bigger picture and exhibit patience and support for what is clearly going to be a longer term rebuilding project. As Mort said, chopping and changing has got us absolutely nowhere. Sam said when he was appointed that there would be tough times ahead. Deep down when I heard him saying that I knew there'd be a section of the fanbase who would object to that instantly. What Mort should have said is, chopping and changing and making the wrong choice of manager has got us nowhere. Man City went through exactly the same process as us in the summer, new owner, new manager, and new players. The excuse that we did not have time to buy the players Allardyce wanted because the new owner/chairman wasn't up to speed, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in the new chairman/owner. The truth is Man City have chopped and changed managers as much as us, but they made the right choice in Sven, a proven big club manager with quality trophies in his CV, whilst we yet again went for the cheap option of giving a "wannabe" a chance at the big time. As for those who say we will buy the players we need to turn the side around in the Jan window, we know from past experience that clubs just don't sell their best players then, so I would advise you all not to hold your breath waiting for quality signings because it just isn't going to happen. As for being patient, as a long suffering supporter and former season ticket holder when we were really really sh*t, isn't 40 years long enough to start expecting better! Manchester City already had a good settled spine to their team to build from. We didn't unfortunately. no they didn't they had a centre half (their captain), micah richards and a couple of young keepers. we had the debt and the missmanagement though. Dunne, Richards, Johnson, Hamann, Ireland and Mpenza is their spine at the moment, and its the same spine they had for much of last season.