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This lot plus the 5-0 at Antwerp.

with the 3rd biggest crowd and support in the country, and 14th /15th turnover [something like that] in europe ? We won't mention who created that but I'm sorry but punching that weight is what you should be expecting. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg712421#msg712421 http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg714507#msg714507 Yeah but most of what I posted there about the transfers we are targetting are a cut and paste job on your opinions from 18 months ago. Why the change of heart? mackems.gif Look for posts where I've said that when they have proved real ambition I won't criticise the odd mishap ...... I've said it often. When they have proved real ambition, then fair enough. I'm not getting carried away by one [hopefully good] signing, unlike others. I can't be arsed to look for it though I'll let you do that as you seem so inclined. This is a direct reply by the way, which is more than most people make. I notice nobody is admitting that they called such signings in the past "trophy signings". Why the change of heart ? You've answered / replied to nothing tbf. Nice try at wriggling out though I spotted that post the a couple of days ago when you said you've never been this unhappy in recent memory. I asked you if you were less happy now than 18 months ago, & when you avoided the question I decided to look for your opinions at the time for myself. Just goes to show that when it comes to most of your opinions, it the person making the decision that counts rather than the decision they're making that matters. Exactly what you accuse others of. Like I said, you're wrong. Ashley will win me over when he proves real ambition, one signing doesn't do that, I'm talking real ambition, which must be higher than yours. In the meantime, I've renewed my season ticket for the next 3 years so I'm obviously more unhappy than a lot of other people. Still no answer though. And seeing as you keep banging on about it, I've renewed for 3 years upfront as well, just I don't see how its relevant to what I've asked you above. Perhaps you should read your posts I've linked to then try and answer why what was acceptable then is less acceptable now. I'll not hold my breath though. because they had proved their ambition. Simple as that. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle. And attempting to succeed and not quite getting to what you hoped for is a lot more acceptable than not attempting it at all. The situation you talk about 18 months ago still stands, so why shouldn't the reasons you mentioned then still stand? They were no longer showing any ambition 18 months ago, surely any fool can see that? Its all very well harping on about the Champions League placings they did achieve (and fair play to them for that) but when they left we were miles away from that happening again. Even you can acknowledge that? Basic fundamental number 1 requirement for a board. Back your manager, punch your weight in the transfer market. Will always stand a better chance of succeeding than a board that doesn't back their manager, and doesn't punch their weight in the transfer market. That is the basis of the point I've made since day 1. As long as they back their manager, they stood a chance of getting back among the top clubs. That means buying more than one player. Whatever the quotes say that you've found, and I repeat when Ashley has shown ambition to punch the clubs weight [which is all I'm asking for him] he'll get the same acceptance of the odd mishap that the old lot did, thats my point, and I'm sticking to it. I would put appointing the right manager a long way above that to be honest. On the second point, would you say trying to sign players like Modric, Woodgate and Colocinni shows ambition? Gordon Lee was a good appointment. So was Arthur Cox. Both pissed off [to Everton and bloody Derby - bigger club ?] because the board was s****, both underachieved at Newcastle. You will know Cox was mate , not so sure about Lee. Both those managers with a board that backed them would have done better, a lot lot better, and wouldn't have left either. Agreed.........but I don't really see any relevance to this point. Do you think Shepherd did the right thing backing Souness to the tune of £50M. And how about Ridsdale at Leeds, would you say he carried out the basic fundamental number 1 requirement when backing O'Leary? What's Ridsdale and O'Leary got to do with anything? As far as i'm aware Newcastle didn't get a) relegated, b) bankrupt and c) left for dirt in the third english division. All this talk of financial difficulty for Newcastle is unsubstantiated. Disseminated by a new board who were eager to get people on side, and could offer an opinion on something nobody else could prove. I wonder, if we really were so close to folding like a financial tonne of bricks, why was Shepherd and co so keen to hang around and fight off all the other takeover bids? Any seriously self-interested financially minded person (which the last regime clearly were, the amount they benefitted from the club in various ways) would have been out in the proverbial flash! I was just pointing out that backing a manager in the transfer market is not the board's number one duty. In fact, it becomes extremely detrimental to the club if the wrong man is backed (ie Souness and O'Leary). As for NUFC's financial situation, the books were there for all to see and it wasn't pretty reading as we were losing money hand over fist. I suggest you take a look at the last set of figures.

with the 3rd biggest crowd and support in the country, and 14th /15th turnover [something like that] in europe ? We won't mention who created that but I'm sorry but punching that weight is what you should be expecting. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg712421#msg712421 http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg714507#msg714507 Yeah but most of what I posted there about the transfers we are targetting are a cut and paste job on your opinions from 18 months ago. Why the change of heart? mackems.gif Look for posts where I've said that when they have proved real ambition I won't criticise the odd mishap ...... I've said it often. When they have proved real ambition, then fair enough. I'm not getting carried away by one [hopefully good] signing, unlike others. I can't be arsed to look for it though I'll let you do that as you seem so inclined. This is a direct reply by the way, which is more than most people make. I notice nobody is admitting that they called such signings in the past "trophy signings". Why the change of heart ? You've answered / replied to nothing tbf. Nice try at wriggling out though I spotted that post the a couple of days ago when you said you've never been this unhappy in recent memory. I asked you if you were less happy now than 18 months ago, & when you avoided the question I decided to look for your opinions at the time for myself. Just goes to show that when it comes to most of your opinions, it the person making the decision that counts rather than the decision they're making that matters. Exactly what you accuse others of. Like I said, you're wrong. Ashley will win me over when he proves real ambition, one signing doesn't do that, I'm talking real ambition, which must be higher than yours. In the meantime, I've renewed my season ticket for the next 3 years so I'm obviously more unhappy than a lot of other people. Still no answer though. And seeing as you keep banging on about it, I've renewed for 3 years upfront as well, just I don't see how its relevant to what I've asked you above. Perhaps you should read your posts I've linked to then try and answer why what was acceptable then is less acceptable now. I'll not hold my breath though. because they had proved their ambition. Simple as that. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle. And attempting to succeed and not quite getting to what you hoped for is a lot more acceptable than not attempting it at all. The situation you talk about 18 months ago still stands, so why shouldn't the reasons you mentioned then still stand? They were no longer showing any ambition 18 months ago, surely any fool can see that? Its all very well harping on about the Champions League placings they did achieve (and fair play to them for that) but when they left we were miles away from that happening again. Even you can acknowledge that? Basic fundamental number 1 requirement for a board. Back your manager, punch your weight in the transfer market. Will always stand a better chance of succeeding than a board that doesn't back their manager, and doesn't punch their weight in the transfer market. That is the basis of the point I've made since day 1. As long as they back their manager, they stood a chance of getting back among the top clubs. That means buying more than one player. Whatever the quotes say that you've found, and I repeat when Ashley has shown ambition to punch the clubs weight [which is all I'm asking for him] he'll get the same acceptance of the odd mishap that the old lot did, thats my point, and I'm sticking to it. I would put appointing the right manager a long way above that to be honest. On the second point, would you say trying to sign players like Modric, Woodgate and Colocinni shows ambition? Gordon Lee was a good appointment. So was Arthur Cox. Both pissed off [to Everton and bloody Derby - bigger club ?] because the board was s****, both underachieved at Newcastle. You will know Cox was mate , not so sure about Lee. Both those managers with a board that backed them would have done better, a lot lot better, and wouldn't have left either. Agreed.........but I don't really see any relevance to this point. Do you think Shepherd did the right thing backing Souness to the tune of £50M. And how about Ridsdale at Leeds, would you say he carried out the basic fundamental number 1 requirement when backing O'Leary?

with the 3rd biggest crowd and support in the country, and 14th /15th turnover [something like that] in europe ? We won't mention who created that but I'm sorry but punching that weight is what you should be expecting. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg712421#msg712421 http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36320.msg714507#msg714507 Yeah but most of what I posted there about the transfers we are targetting are a cut and paste job on your opinions from 18 months ago. Why the change of heart? mackems.gif Look for posts where I've said that when they have proved real ambition I won't criticise the odd mishap ...... I've said it often. When they have proved real ambition, then fair enough. I'm not getting carried away by one [hopefully good] signing, unlike others. I can't be arsed to look for it though I'll let you do that as you seem so inclined. This is a direct reply by the way, which is more than most people make. I notice nobody is admitting that they called such signings in the past "trophy signings". Why the change of heart ? You've answered / replied to nothing tbf. Nice try at wriggling out though I spotted that post the a couple of days ago when you said you've never been this unhappy in recent memory. I asked you if you were less happy now than 18 months ago, & when you avoided the question I decided to look for your opinions at the time for myself. Just goes to show that when it comes to most of your opinions, it the person making the decision that counts rather than the decision they're making that matters. Exactly what you accuse others of. Like I said, you're wrong. Ashley will win me over when he proves real ambition, one signing doesn't do that, I'm talking real ambition, which must be higher than yours. In the meantime, I've renewed my season ticket for the next 3 years so I'm obviously more unhappy than a lot of other people. Still no answer though. And seeing as you keep banging on about it, I've renewed for 3 years upfront as well, just I don't see how its relevant to what I've asked you above. Perhaps you should read your posts I've linked to then try and answer why what was acceptable then is less acceptable now. I'll not hold my breath though. because they had proved their ambition. Simple as that. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle. And attempting to succeed and not quite getting to what you hoped for is a lot more acceptable than not attempting it at all. The situation you talk about 18 months ago still stands, so why shouldn't the reasons you mentioned then still stand? They were no longer showing any ambition 18 months ago, surely any fool can see that? Its all very well harping on about the Champions League placings they did achieve (and fair play to them for that) but when they left we were miles away from that happening again. Even you can acknowledge that? Basic fundamental number 1 requirement for a board. Back your manager, punch your weight in the transfer market. Will always stand a better chance of succeeding than a board that doesn't back their manager, and doesn't punch their weight in the transfer market. That is the basis of the point I've made since day 1. As long as they back their manager, they stood a chance of getting back among the top clubs. That means buying more than one player. Whatever the quotes say that you've found, and I repeat when Ashley has shown ambition to punch the clubs weight [which is all I'm asking for him] he'll get the same acceptance of the odd mishap that the old lot did, thats my point, and I'm sticking to it. I would put appointing the right manager a long way above that to be honest. On the second point, would you say trying to sign players like Modric, Woodgate and Colocinni shows ambition?

Haha, as if. I honestly think we'd have to win the Premier League before NE5 would credit them a thing . If we won a cup, he'd say we should have won the FA Cup at the old Wembley, if we got into the CL, he'll say the old lot did it more. He will not admit they've done ANYTHING right, simple as that. when they match the old regime Dave ......... can YOU admit the old board did so well its a tall order .... In fact, as the old board came 2nd twice, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th .......... Indeed they did, then Shepherd spunked it all away.

I hope there's something in the de Jong rumour. Have just watched him in the Emirates Cup and he was excellent, quick, strong in the tackle and uses the ball really well. Would be an ideal replacement for Butt IMHO.

Let's face it, who wouldn't?

Would you say the same if it was a member of your family he had assaulted? And at what point do you draw the line before you say someone shouldn't being wearing a black and white strip? Obviously assault is okay with you, but what about rape or murder? The point being that he hasnt. Could you clarify your position here then, are you saying he should not play for Newcastle but can play for another club? Or are you saying he should not be allowed to play football again? If its the former, then thats just blatant hypocrisy. If its the latter you're basically saying that footballers should lose their jobs if they break the law. In which case, there would be a lot of footballers kicked out of the game and you are equating the moral imperative of the job to that of someone in the legal profession or a politician. Aye right In fact, can anyone who thinks he is scum answer that question? I was just asking as to where you draw the line to a player wearing the shirt again. At what point would you not want him to play for the club again, or does absolutely anything go? I'm saying we as a club should have sacked him. We gave the bloke a second chance and he threw it back in our face and then some. Of course footballers should lose their jobs if they break the law (especially repeatedly), I know I would.

:clap: Just as Newcastle supporters would have done in years gone by. Speak for yourself.

Would you say the same if it was a member of your family he had assaulted? And at what point do you draw the line before you say someone shouldn't being wearing a black and white strip? Obviously assault is okay with you, but what about rape or murder?

Probably not the best advice to give a loose cannon like him!

A lot of people didn't realise that Solano was near the end of his career and a lot of people didn't realise that zoggy was still very young and unlikely to play anywhere near a whole season either. But it still didn't stop there personality driven agendas. I don't see how under those circumstances Duff was a "trophy signing " either especially when he was only a Chelsea squad player too. I will go all "NE5" on you know.. I said at the time the Duff money could have been spent better, this is a FACT because he has proven to be s**** for us. hindsight What about all that dross we bought last summer that Mort and Ashley sanctioned Bought by Shepherd's man Big Sam nontheless. Maybe Mort should have overruled his manager like Shepherd did with Robson?

Words fail me sometimes. Just a hunch. Got some info on it? Yes.

He might have got away with it, but I know exactly what happened and believe you me, he was far from innocent. Why didn't you try to stop it? I was holding Bowyer's coat.

He might have got away with it, but I know exactly what happened and believe you me, he was far from innocent.

They are both overrated shit-houses who we should have avoided like the plague. Similar players as well.........light weight, one-paced, can't beat a man, weak as piss, powder puff shooting tossers, that offer next to nothing on the pitch.

Words fail me sometimes.

without a shadow of doubt the best analysis so far with the addendum that we're headed towards taking the place of the aforementioned clubs and punching below our weight, we'd better be careful 'cause look how long it took them to drag themselves back Spurs, Everton and Villa ? ALL THREE of those clubs have had genuine real trophy winning success in the last 40 years since we did anything at all, and ALL THREE of those clubs were above us for the vast majority of this time. Its only recent history which has seen us get above those clubs for most of the time. I like some of your posts mate, but you have this the wrong way round I'm afraid. This is true, but NONE of those clubs have matched us for support since SJP was redeveloped after the club was taken over by SJH in the early 90s - and NONE of them would match us now IF we got back into the Top 4 and somehow increased the size of SJP OR built another stadium... IF being the operative word. I am abviously aware like yourself that the old board managed to finally get the ground re-developed after 80 years of bungling by previous regimes. Those clubs have only fallen further behind us - in ground capacity terms - since expanding the stadium 10 years ago, a move contributing hugely to our "debts" that many people slate, presumably because they think we ought to have kept the stadium at a 36,000 capacity. I've said before, the club should have moved. It is the old boards biggest mistake. When the Castle Leazes project fell through, they should have moved elsewhere. The council would have caved in when they realised the club meant what they said and would pull the club out of the city centre. I know some people say they simply wouldn't have been given planning permission to build anywhere else, but thats the whole point. They should have said "you will give us planning permission or we will move out of the city". I would put progress before tradition, personally. I would love the club to have a stadium like the Millenium in Cardiff. Before they built the Leazes and Gallowgate stands, another option would have been to rotate the pitch 90 degrees and to knock down the East Stand and Milburn. It would have been cheaper to build 4 new stands than to do what we did which was probably the most expensive option available.

A very good post.

Exactly, loads of ability but a poppadom body and a heart the size of a pea. He really should have achieved so much more here.

Are you not tired of this act yet son? I know I am.

Do you? do you believe this, or is it the rantings of a maniac with the knives out ........ http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/columnists/neil-farrington/2008/07/20/toon-can-t-sign-top-stars-on-the-cheap-79310-21370957/ You're not seriously using an article in The Sunday Sun to back up your case are you?

A good point, well made.

Dear God!!