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Had a quick look and noticed they have no fee listed for some players, for instance Beye, Faye, Xisco are all listed as "signed" but no fee. That's £11m missing right there. Bassong, Routledge and Best are also completely missing. I'll have a closer look later, going to work in a minute.. EDIT: They do have a fee for Xisco, but they have him in twice for some reason, once for his fee and later as "signed". Definitely no fees for Beye or Faye though.

Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Those numbers are way off. Why so? £63m spent in the last 5 seasons? Go and take a quick look at the signings in the last 5 seasons, its closer to £90m. http://www.footbo.com/Teams/Newcastle/Transfers Adding those up took me to around £70m, working off the figures I recall at the time for the undiscloseds. They're missing transfers, we never even signed the god Tiote according to there list. The best one to go off would be: http://www.nufc.com/2011-12html/transfers.html

Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Those numbers are way off. Why so? £63m spent in the last 5 seasons? Go and take a quick look at the signings in the last 5 seasons, its closer to £90m. EDIT: Surely when they say the last 5 seasons they have to be talking about 2006-2007, 2007-2008, 2008-2009, 2009-2010, 2010-2011? They can't be including the upcoming season can they? I mean this window isn't even finished this season yet let alone January.

Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Those numbers are way off.

You want facts? Check our record for transfer spending since Ashley joined. Also, since you are suddenly so big on facts, why are you including Erdinc in our squad like he's already signed? Spent about £48m (up to now) haven't we, in the 4 season he's been here? That's not a bad outlay for someone who many claim won't spend on players. We make an £11m transfer profit on average per year. I make it £75m spent vs £109m sold since he arrived, so far, around £8.5m a season (though the massive majority of the disparity between bought and sold was in the Championship season).

It's all relative ffs, if we were genuinely on the bare bones of our arse then that would be absolutely outstanding. We've brought in £39m worth of fees since January and spent £4.6m, roughly £10m should we get Erding. That's shit. We'll have spent £16.75m on transfer fees since January if we buy Erdinc for £6.5m. Marveaux and Ba will have cost us a few million as well (as will signing on/agent fees for the rest), so conservatively we'll have spent something just over £20m. There should definitely be cash left to spend. I've left out agent fees and signing on fees, it's only since we've had this £35m to spend that the club has suddenly started counting those in money spent. I'm aware that could be a very clever move to make us not get held to ransom due to have a large amount of unspent money, but I choose believe that it's just bullshit from Pardew upwards. Even if you ignore agent/signing on fees (which isn't really practical when you're dealing with two high profile free transfers) it would still be £16.75m not £10m, just FYI. Like I said we still have money their, no question.

It's all relative ffs, if we were genuinely on the bare bones of our arse then that would be absolutely outstanding. We've brought in £39m worth of fees since January and spent £4.6m, roughly £10m should we get Erding. That's shit. Erdinc would actually make it £16.75m on transfer fees since January. Marveaux and Ba will have cost us at least a few million as well as will signing on/agent fees for the rest. Somewhere between £20m-£24m would be my rough guess. There should definitely be cash left to spend.

I think the players do make an effort to keep things inhouse. There have been many arguments between the players and Ashley/Llambias and most stuff stays in house. Nolan always said this was important to give the club an appearance of stability. The trouble is this helps the hierarchy because it is the players who get accused of a lack of loyalty or being greedy when they decide to move on. The sale of Carroll was the breaking point because I believe he did not want to leave and the other players knew that as well. When you have players like Given, Nolan and Jose who have been very happy at the club wanting to leave because they are not happy with what's going on, then they can't all be wrong. The circumstances may differ but we only ever hear one side of the story. Excellent post. Far more articulate than my posts on the same subject and exactly what I was thinking. Since when did Nolan want to go because he wasn't happy? Nolan left because we wouldn't offer him the contract he wanted, a contract that we'd have been utter morons to offer. Has he ever said that? Do you believe anything PR-dew says? Yes, he (Nolan) said he wanted a longer contract than we would offer. Don't recall seeing the quotes, can you re-post? cheers. Anything Nolan's said will be in his thread, 245 pages so I'm not going to search through sorry. Anyway I'm pretty sure the £60k a week 5 year contract had plenty to do with him going to West Ham..

I think the players do make an effort to keep things inhouse. There have been many arguments between the players and Ashley/Llambias and most stuff stays in house. Nolan always said this was important to give the club an appearance of stability. The trouble is this helps the hierarchy because it is the players who get accused of a lack of loyalty or being greedy when they decide to move on. The sale of Carroll was the breaking point because I believe he did not want to leave and the other players knew that as well. When you have players like Given, Nolan and Jose who have been very happy at the club wanting to leave because they are not happy with what's going on, then they can't all be wrong. The circumstances may differ but we only ever hear one side of the story. Excellent post. Far more articulate than my posts on the same subject and exactly what I was thinking. Since when did Nolan want to go because he wasn't happy? Nolan left because we wouldn't offer him the contract he wanted, a contract that we'd have been utter morons to offer. Has he ever said that? Do you believe anything PR-dew says? Yes, he (Nolan) said he wanted a longer contract than we would offer.

I think the players do make an effort to keep things inhouse. There have been many arguments between the players and Ashley/Llambias and most stuff stays in house. Nolan always said this was important to give the club an appearance of stability. The trouble is this helps the hierarchy because it is the players who get accused of a lack of loyalty or being greedy when they decide to move on. The sale of Carroll was the breaking point because I believe he did not want to leave and the other players knew that as well. When you have players like Given, Nolan and Jose who have been very happy at the club wanting to leave because they are not happy with what's going on, then they can't all be wrong. The circumstances may differ but we only ever hear one side of the story. Excellent post. Far more articulate than my posts on the same subject and exactly what I was thinking. Since when did Nolan want to go because he wasn't happy? Nolan left because we wouldn't offer him the contract he wanted, a contract that we'd have been utter morons to offer.

Probably on a fair amount already tbh... so matching it is probably a fantastic offer. I'd say he's worth the wage of a top 4 fullback. You think he's on Evra money? Ashley Cole money? Hell, even Glen Johnson will earn more than him. Matching the guys current salary (when he signed he wasn't a big name, so won't be on mega bucks of Colo etc) is not an incredible offer. Liars. We're not a top 4 club, we cant afford to offer top 4 wages. Having said that we should be prepared to offer a player like Enrique at least £60k a week IMO, since he's a very good player in the prime of of his carear. IF we're sticking to something like £45k then that's a mistake IMO.

Only if we'd spent £35m on them..

It was a different French journalist - Xavier Rivoire (I think) but how gushing was he about Cabaye. If he is half as good as he said, we will have one helluva a player. Happy to stand corrected... Good to hear both them singing Cabaye's praises all be it a little over the top today I'm guessing... What did he say about Cabaye?

Where the fuck is Simpson trying to put his hand there?

Yeah, when we signed him on loan we got a buyout fee agreed that would allow us to sign him at any time during the loan (£5.75m according to most reports AFAIR). We used that buyout clause in January. Marseille put in a clause saying that if he played 25 games or more we had to buy him, but it never came to that because of how awesome he is

Fuck off should a steep loan fee be a problem. If he's available (though that I doubt tbh), we should go all out to get him. Thing is, would the loan fee come off any future permanent fee (should we decide to keep him), or would it be separate? Separate I'd have thought in this case as I can't really see Chelsea thinking about selling him at the moment. It's not like we are even adverse to paying loan fees though, Ben Arfa's was £2m I believe, and I don't imagine Sturridges would be significantly more. More like £1m for Ben Arfa as far as I remember.

What channel? Sorry I'm wrong, they're supposed to be streaming it live on their official website. Still hopefully it'll be watchable at least.

To be fair the name of the club is "Orlando City Soccer Club" which is pretty fucking shitty Still at least they're managing to televise the game unlike Kansas "whatever they're called this week".

He supports a club about the size of Peterborough United, but without the history, and he's having a go at Newcastle United That's RTG-esque!

It really isn't. We obviously have a fairly tight transfer budget which is why are going for frees and release clauses for the most part, none of which I have a problem with btw if the players coming in are good enough. If I'm being optimistic I would hope that we have decided to not sign Taylor as the money we would spend might now be better spent on someone like M'Bengue instead. It still begs the question why we were in for him in the first place because we do need a back up left back, whether Enrique leaves or M'Bengue arrives. We clearly didn't desperately want Taylor and could have easily matched Swansea's wage offer within our wage structure. This is really a pretty simple situation being made into far more than it is IMO. We saw a bargain that we thought we could get in easily through a release clause. It turned out the player would cost more than we thought and require much more effort to sign. We decided that at that price ect he wasn't worth signing. Twisting that into not being able to compete with Swansea is pure sensationalism. The question of wether we should have been interested in the first place or wether we actually needed him is a different discussion and certainly worth discussing. Though I'm not interested personally, which I suppose says it all for how much I believe we needed Neil Taylor

Exactly

Tron My view of this is quite different to yours, which should be obvious by reading my post. But outside of my differing view of the situation the main problem I have with your posts is the sensationalism. At the end of the day we obviously didn't rate him that highly. We wanted the lad as a cheap backup player, otherwise we'd have stuck in there, matched whatever Swansea offered and waited on the tribunral. You're talking about it as if we desperately wanted him but simply couldn't do it financially, which is very clearly rubbish.

We pulled out because our offer was rejected and the deal became much more convoluted then we thought it would be. The player kept moaning and turned to a tribunral (the player NOT us) so his club give him a raise to shut him up. After all IF the tribunral decide the clause stands as the player sees it any other club could then come in and make a £1m offer. Obviously £13k a week isn't the kind of wage that scares a club like ours, the suggest otherwise is pretty silly, what do you think we're paying the likes of Marvueax or Ba, or Cabaye? At the end of the day we obviously didn't rate Taylor that highly.

Yes I do, you're posts ridiculous, that's my point. I mean you seriously think this is as simple as "Oh we can't possibly match a offer of £13k a week, so we'll have to pull out of the deal"?

Are you actually serious?