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Some of them in the ITV studio arguing that wasn't a pen Keane "he just did enough to affect the forward".. Aye Roy, by thrusting his hand as hard as he could into his back.

Should probably have murdered him like.

He trips his left leg up too It wasn't shoulder to shoulder, he just pushed him over.

How does that make VAR shite? The ref is shite, VAR is just a source the ref can use to help make his decisions. Most seem to have made use of it and its made a difference. Other refs haven't, those shite refs dont change the fact that its been useful when used correctly.

Aye, I mean its debatable whether its a pen or not, but then its the ref who has to make that decision and in his opinion its a pen, fine. Its not like it was some outlandish decision that can't possibly be a pen. I don't get the whole issue people on the BBC commentary or in the studio have about how its not 100% clear because people are disagreeing, therefore VAR hasn't helped or needs to improve ect. Did they think that the ref being able to be sure of his decision before making it meant everyone in the world would suddenly see it the same way and agree People have different opinions ffs, nothing will ever change that.

Aye he's a mong.

Any article that uses that £62.5m loss number from the previous accounts as some kind of true baseline is a article not worth reading, we all know the real loss was massively lower than that, something like a £20m loss in real terms wasn't it? This year our revenue will have increased by around £80m. So to suggest there should be no money available is before sales is nonsense.

There's much more to it than that, you have have be pretty oblivious to not see that tbh. I'm sick and f***ing tired of every year having to sell players because Ashley is a c***. I'm beyond frustrated with it all, i no longer want to invest energy into something which is run by a man who actively wants to self destruct everything around him. I felt this way before Rafa but i wanted to believe but honestly it doesn't matter, Rafa is meaningless while this man is the owner it doesn't even matter. If you can do that then more power to you but i'd rather invest energy into something which i can actually enjoy, there's no enjoyment as long as Ashley is around and it took me till now to realise that Rafa doesn't change that. What on earth does any of that have to do with us suddenly being favourites for relegation?? That's what I disagreed with, you'd think by your response that I called it a great bit of business or something...

Because we're selling 3 players who basically didn't play for us last year when we finished 10th? I mean Merino is the only one of the three that contributed anything towards the 44 points, and even that was minimal.

Didn't we only pay about £6m for Merino?

Doesn't that economic profit figure include the impact of player purchases? (I assume its final profit loss everything included). While in the Premier League over the course of those 7 seasons shown we've spent about £250 and sold about £170m. Its really the idiot getting us relegated twice that's meant we've had to sell more players to cover loss of TV money (we obviously sold far more than we spent in the two Championship seasons). This current season our revenue should be between £160m and £170m. Thats £30-£40m higher than its ever been before and twice what it was in most of the seasons included in that chart. I think as long as we're in the Premier League he has no excuse not to provide cash to Benitez on top of player sales. I really don't know if it does or not. I'm just posting the info really - with a filter applied. I'm commenting on what I think I understand from the figures whilst filtering out everything I don't. The most obvious thing is that Ashley's team have presented these figure in a very positive light for the masses. The real accountants, and anyone doing due dilligence that understand the football accounts business, will see a very different picture I fear. Ergo we're not getting sold anytime soon. You can certainly make individual accounts look better or worse than they really are regarding profit/loss but over that number of years (on that chart) its going to even out and show the real picture no matter how you manipulate it. Also while some accounts probably have been made to look better than they really are some have clearly been made to look worse. One obvious example is our last set of accounts. True losses for that season in the Championship were around £30m, but some costs were brought forward from this year which made it look like we lost over £60m.

Doesn't that economic profit figure include the impact of player purchases? (I assume its final profit loss everything included). While in the Premier League over the course of those 7 seasons shown we've spent about £250m on players and sold about £170m and still ended up with a profit of £24m. Its really the idiot getting us relegated twice that's meant we've had to sell more players to reduce the losses caused by the drop in TV/commercial money (we obviously brought in far more from players than we spent in the two Championship seasons). This current season our revenue should be between £160m and £170m. Thats £30-£40m higher than its ever been before and twice what it was in most of the seasons included in that chart. I think as long as we're in the Premier League he has no excuse not to provide cash to Benitez on top of player sales.

So having a first option purchase clause in a contract is essentially pointless? Just means a club isn't allowed to offer a player to clubs without first giving the club with first option a chance to make a offer to them and the player.

Wouldn't be excited by Abraham at all, his goals per minute ratio last season was pretty much the same as Joselu. The rest of their stats are also very similar (assists, pass completion ect), except headers won where Joselu was actually considerably better.. I mean fair enough potential, but right now nothing I can see suggests he'd have much impact if any compared to what we have.

Don't Sky and BT still have the same number of games live as last time?

Aye, it’s probably going to be £99 a year minimum now. Well its gone up in the U.S from £74 to £88 so I'd be amazed if it stayed £79 here regardless of Premier League games.

Depends if're happy to lose out on several million pounds (obviously we won't be). I'd be surprised if anyone outside the Premier League offered much over £10m for him. But due to Premier League cash and the fact that he's become an instant hero at Fulham I could see them being willing to pay £20m+.

I think it really depends what Fulham offer, if they're offering under £20m then maybe wait. But if they offer £20m+ I think we should just get on with it. I think so yeah, but they weren't offering near the £15m we wanted.

We apparently were trying to sell him for £15m at the time he went on loan I think, so could have done that kind if option. But hopefully not because I do think we'll get £20m+ now.

Aye probably £30m at most is more likely (looks like there might be about £30m coming in per season but obviously some going out). I suppose getting those four off the wage bill and securing future cash would be more important in bringing players in than the instant cash injection. Though Ashley will probably just flip a coin to decide the transfer budget regardless "heads I win tails you lose Rafa"

With our generous credit terms when we sell players Rafa would be lucky to get £8million of that. Might as well keep Joselu! it's starting to kill me this installments thing, and i've been guilty of it as well, but f*** me yeah let's sell £40m worth of players from an already s****, small squad then give rafa 25% of that to spend on replacing them (if he's f***ing lucky) we're such a shithouse club man Considering how we sell in installments and buy outright and have been doing it for many years now we should have a constant stream of transfer cash every year. Because we've built up a load of installments getting paid to use every year and have no installments going out. So at this point "we can't spend X from the sale of a player because of installments" is just another shite excuse. i'd be amazed if it amounted to say £40m or whatever people think we're gonna bring in from sales personally You mean if the installments we receive every season amounted to £40m?, probably not. We could probably work out roughly what we get each year I suppose. These kind of deals are usually paid in equal payments over the course of a players contract length.

With our generous credit terms when we sell players Rafa would be lucky to get £8million of that. Might as well keep Joselu! it's starting to kill me this installments thing, and i've been guilty of it as well, but f*** me yeah let's sell £40m worth of players from an already s****, small squad then give rafa 25% of that to spend on replacing them (if he's f***ing lucky) we're such a shithouse club man Considering how we sell in installments and buy outright and have been doing it for many years now we should have a constant stream of transfer cash every year. Because we've built up a load of installments getting paid to use every year and have no installments going out. So at this point "we can't spend X from the sale of a player because of installments" is just another shite excuse.

How could anyone be angry given this lot are now in the position they wished on us, its fucking delicious to be honest, I can almost taste their tears.

If we weren't run like a corner shop the club could attract bigger sponsorship. We've got the manager, fans, football mad city, problem is the owner drags it all down into the mud. We could sell advertising space, rather that paste sportsdirect on everything for free. A club that is in the premier league most seasons having lower commercial revenue than a club that has been in the lower leagues since 2004 is spectacularly bad, there must be zero effort being put in. We'd obviously done a deal with the shirt sponsor where we agreed to a huge drop in payments if we went down. Given that the year before commercial income was £28m (twice what it was in the Championship season). As I said though its not exactly apples to apples comparison here considering we're outsourcing a lot, half of Leeds commercial revenue comes from things that we outsource. We can only guess if that hurts us financially (it depends what the costs of those operations would be vs the potential extra revenue). But given its Ashley I suppose its reasonable to think it probably does hurt us. Or at the very least its a way to get the same money in but make it look like we aren't making as much (revenue is lower but profit the same).

It would be very easy to increase commercial revenue above those three clubs even without spending time on commercial deals, just by doing our own catering. For instance in Leeds case £4m of the total £16m commercial revenue came from catering. But we outsource instead, so we see the overall revenue that comes from food and drink sales but of course incur none of the costs either (I assume we just get a relatively small fee from the catering company). As usual Ashley looking at keeping costs down first and foremost.