80

You mean emulating the tree that fell in the uninhabited woods? If you want to make a noise (let alone achieve something), you'll have to bite the bullet and do it mid-season. It really is your only serious option.

Some people on here, fully accepting that Keegan is capable of coming the game with the hierachy of NUFC but generally accepting that in doing so, he is doing it in the genuine and honest hope that it will be of the benefit of the club in the long term - fair point I feel. Keegan sitting down, thrashing out the issues, and if that failed, making things public and walking with his head held high forcing Ashley and co to explain themselves you could argue would show a 'genuine and honest hope that it will be of the benefit of the club in the long term'. Disappearing, suing the club binding all parties to a non disclosure agreement leading to confusion, impotant anger, boycotts and childish threats, continuing instability, and by the look of things, a masive hit to the club coffers that may have delayed any potential sale you could argue shows little to no indication of any interest in anything other than himself. It has been said that his contract allowed had him liable to pay Ashley a couple of million should he have left it early. If true, he'd have to make himself legally impervious to be certain of avoiding paying that sum i.e. demonstrating it was Ashley and not he who had broken the terms. Saying that, it's just occurred to me that there'd be some who'd think him paying up £2m, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the dispute, would be a good thing - as it would aid the club accounts.

What an idea.

The sale price of something is somewhere between the least it's possessor will accept for it and the most anyone else will pay for it. A business is not an entity separate from it's debts and assets - they are part of the business. Moat (possibly) isn't prepared/able to pay £100m for this particular business if it still owes Barclays a certain amount of money. I imagine he wouldn't mind buying this business even if it had those debts if Ashley only wanted £85m from him (this is possibly not the case, but that's another discussion). Quite straight-forward - Ashley is playing a role the club not being sold. Does that make him a bad man? Don't care, I'll leave that to you lot, but the price of this club isn't £100m until it's sold for that (here's a statement of the obvious - the worth of this club to most people would obviously be very different if Ashley isn't wanting the money he's loaned it back to what it is if he is). If Moat's still quibbling over it's debts and isn't handing over a heavy suitcase to Ashley then it's pretty clear he hasn't agreed to buy it for that figure - if Barclays were able to make clear they aren't shifting then he isn't (necessarily) going to buy it anyway. Any agreement is at present non-existent in real terms. As for the idea the club's sale price is £100m, that's as much a fantasy of Ashley's as me saying I want to sell my trousers but won't accept less than £40k for them (they are very nice trousers) - the number doesn't matter until someone is actually willing to engage with it. Is anyone willing to engage with Ashley's number for the business as it stands (debts, assets and all)? We'll see.

The comments aren't that bad, really. And he's hardly slagging of Duff's former self.

Keefaz, going on this thread, you've not heard many people speak mate. Guile and Nullify? They're just words

I appreciate the self-motivation - most of them are showing desire to compete and win. More than I expected. Better keep it up though... Hopefully the fact it's paying off (so clearly, in the case of Nolan chasing down the ball for the second) will act as positive reinforcement.

Now there's a manager that wouldn't be the end of the world.

Don't get all this Hughton appreciation. I mean, he's from London - we must think he's a twat, right?

Would just like to make sure my name's included in the O'Leary Hate camp.

http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1980sfashion.jpg Promising youngster departs 2nd division Newcastle for Spurs? I love a bit of nostalgia.

What does that mean? Name me 5 managers who have. How often do reigns end in something other than resignation or sacking? It's a maxim in football that a team's form dives when the players know their manager will be leaving at a defined time. If it helps, he probably could've turned England and us the second time around into sackings without too much difficulty. Arguably did with us, in fact - he was being steadily 'relieved of his duties'. Rafa, Moyes, Ferguson, Wenger have all seen out their initial contracts. Sure Southgate has as well, but sort of ruins any point i was going to make that the best and most successful mangers see out their deals So has Keegan, then - he signed a three year contract with us in 1992. he signed a 10 year contract in 1994. Two responses; A) That's a ludicrous contortion you'd be pulling to maintain your ground. B) Then none of T'sT lot have seen out their contracts either and my original question remains unanswered.

What does that mean? Name me 5 managers who have. How often do reigns end in something other than resignation or sacking? It's a maxim in football that a team's form dives when the players know their manager will be leaving at a defined time. If it helps, he probably could've turned England and us the second time around into sackings without too much difficulty. Arguably did with us, in fact - he was being steadily 'relieved of his duties'. Rafa, Moyes, Ferguson, Wenger have all seen out their initial contracts. Sure Southgate has as well, but sort of ruins any point i was going to make that the best and most successful mangers see out their deals So has Keegan, then - he signed a three year contract with us in 1992.

What does that mean? Name me 5 managers who have. How often do reigns end in something other than resignation or sacking? It's a maxim in football that a team's form dives when the players know their manager will be leaving at a defined time. If it helps, he probably could've turned England and us the second time around into sackings without too much difficulty. Arguably did with us, in fact - he was being steadily 'relieved of his duties'.

Ambition - without it, you've nothing. It's necessary in itself in a way the others taken on their own are not; if a board possessed all the others except it, there'd be no particular prospect of success we as supporters would recognise.

Shearer at 25, right..... Shearer was one of the best strikers in the world at the time so **** off. Read him again - he's saying Shearer needed to be offloaded earlier than when he was 34, not that he should've been when he was 25.

A freshish start. It'll be interesting to see him operate in his new environment. He's always blamed the Robson sacking on them - he wanted to support him, supposedly. Also, while even a broken clock can be right twice a day, it did look like he'd made a reasonable decision in bringing Allardyce in - as though he'd learnt old lessons and knew we needed a new approach given our financial situation at the time. Still, there are some fucking magnificent reasons for getting straight on him. Remember the Hitzfeld 'betting scam'?

It's a very versatile name

I agree - every away game will be a bloody Cup Tie An opportunity to learn, then!

Part of me does just to see how fucking mental this club can get. You know, like just doing it for the fun and fame. Anyone ever done painting when they were a kid - a nice picture - which you then messed up with a few wrong-coloured dribbles, which pissed you off, so you just started randomly throwing whole pots of paint at the paper before setting fire to it and stamping on it and things? Kind of like that.

Trouble is, as has been said, they've not got a great reputation for their cost-benefit analysis skills following on from January (and September, October, November etc...).

bluelaugh.gif I love people sometimes.

Not to make out like he's a colossus or anything, but I don't understand how he sired those children of his.

Not that we're generalising of course. Just stating facts Could you give a bit more detail on these run-ins you mentioned? Were they akin to that time Joey Barton made remarks about our negativity which, as they were fairly valid, were taken on board by people? It's just that, as people were saying, when you're Maldini at Milan, I'm inclined to think you should be able to have a frank discussion with supporters because you've been together so long.

I think I'm gonna put a forum filter on 'talksport' and all derivative terms. Happens every time, as people say - just a set of industry reject rent-a-wums.