Mick

plus ugly Plus brilliant footballer.

I know it doesn't happen too often but I seem to remember Chelsea putting 5 past Liverpool.

I might have missed this, do you think we should sell?

Do I believe what?

Nothing will be a consolation if we do get relegated, including the knowledge that Keegan was given money to spend in January and that we had a £7 million bid for Woodgate excepted only for him to turn us down, maybe Keegan and Boro were lying and we didn't make that offer because we weren’t going to back Keegan with cash. I remember Allardyce complaining that things were moving too slowly in the transfer market when the club was first taken over, I also remember him thanking Chris Mort or Mike Ashley for allowing him to spend more money than he’d ever had in one transfer window, do you remember that? Regarding the new structure, was Keegan lying when he recently said that he was informed about the changes? You’ve just made up a baseless post and then commented that you couldn’t make it up, we’ll you’re wrong and you did make it up. Keegan has said since joining us that he left because the job wasn’t what it said in the brochure, he then said this time he didn’t see a brochure. Again, Keegan has said that he knew changes were going to be made at the club, and he knew Dennis Wise was an option. Between 1997 and last summer we haven’t had one who has walked out and complained about a lack of support but we have had one come out and say he didn’t have much say in who came in as transfers, he also said he’d spoken to other former managers who complained about the same thing. I'm not sure if that is true because he was s*** but at least I'm prepared to say he's probably bull-shitting, if it was the other way around, it would become fact as far as you were concerned.

Agreed, that's why I showed both so people could decide for themselves, it's easy using the figures which suit your argument the best, I didn't want to do that. Bobby not spending the Woodgate money boosted his income and reduced his net spend but it was also part of the reason why he got the push, if he’d spent in on a replacement for Woodgate he might have not been sacked.

That should be in the positive thread.

I would agree to a certain extent that the decision they got wrong was the most important that they had to make, at least it was a part of it, getting the best replacement was also important, that one will be judged in time. As for the buying in kids, that changed when Keegan was appointed, he made the decision to stick with what he had at that time, don’t forget that we bid £7,000,000 for Woodgate.

We spent £58,790,000 gross in the three years leading up to the CL, £19,596,666 per year. We brought in £24,050,000 in that time which gave us a net spend of £34,740,000 which works out at £11,580,000 (net) per year for the first three years leading up to the CL. Bobby spent £75,290,000 in total and brought in £43,600,000. Bobby had a net spend of £31,690,000 which works out at £6,338,000 per year. Allardyce spent £24,300,000 and brought in £16,200,000 which is a net spend of £8,100,000, this includes the rumoured £2,000,000 we got for Luque. Allardyce was given more per year than Sir Bobby both in terms of gross and net, Bobby was given a lot less to spend after we qualified so it's hardly surprising that we went backwards.

Not true. http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7723/turdpolish1mh2.th.jpg

Bobby Robson spent less than £6 million net per year, he also lifted us 10 league places which was worth £5 million one year on improved league places alone, two other years brought in an extra £4 million and £4.5 million, that's by using his starting position as a benchmark. On top of that he also brought in money from the CL and other European games which we had under him. In reality he didn't spend much at all so although he made mistakes, he probably financed them himself. Robson must be one of the cheapest managers we've ever had.

Allardyce chose who to spend the money on and had more to spend if he had wanted, nobody forced him to spend £18 million on Enrique, Smith and Barton. Regarding Keegan, it's not impossible, it will be easier if he's starting his first full season in the Premiership. I can see him getting the blame if we go down, it'll not matter to some that he's working with dross that somebody else brought in.

The fact is that the club had less money coming in than that going out, we were and probably still are making a loss.

The only thing I think they've done wrong is sacking Allardyce when they did, it was either too soon or too late. To do it bang in the middle of the transfer window was crazy, they should have either done it earlier and given the new manager a full transfer window after looking at the players first, or they should have waited to get the hard games out of the way with Allardyce. Then they could have brought a new manager in for easier games when he would have had a better chance of lifting players.

You'll get what you're given.

Because Chez mentioned that it was 10% of ours which was over £100 million, I responded by saying I didn't know how much Man U had. It's a bit like somebody mentioning anything to you which you don't know about and just replying stating that.

Booing now would be mad, well done to everybody else for rescuing a daft thread.

When we've won in the league Geremi has been in the starting 11.

Keegan has never left a club in a worse position than when he joined.

He might base it on what Keegan did to our form when he was here last time, he might base it on the transfer record of Keegan when last here. He might base it on the way we've tried to play recently and the fact that he'll (Keegan) have time during the next couple of weeks to work with the players, and get to know those who he's hardly been able to work with so far.

If you do remember those games you could possibly tell us how many shots we had in those 3 games, probably just the two which we scored at home to Derby and one viduka shot at Wigan.

You need to give your head a shake and remember how shit we were under Allardyce, if we had gone out to beat Wigan and Derby (twice), we wouldn't be in this shit now.

Don't worry he's gone, Keegan will bring better players in.

Geremi is an odd one, we seem to play better as a team when he plays, even when he doesn't play very well.

The ball was deflected in the same direction and was so slow I thought time had stood still, he should have got it.