Colos Short and Curlies

It's been niggling away at me for a few weeks but how do you know that Keegan didn't turn down every player they suggested and that's why we're short on numbers? I'm not sticking up for Jimenez or otherwise, but no-one really knows the truth do they, apart from KK, Jimenez, Wise and Llambias? He may well have turned some players down, but he even said in his statement after he left that no manager should have players forced upon them so he probably got fed up of players he'd never heard of turning up training. Sorry to dredge this up again, but if they had let KK bring in his own players we would have had a bigger, probably more balanced squad than we have now, not only that, but we'd still have a manager. I'm delighted Jiminez has gone because he was part of a failed recruitment regime, Wise should have been sacked on September 2nd too. Really can't wait to see the back of him. Don't we have to take it as fact that Keegan did not have any say in transfers therefore if the triangle of evil identified the player then the only reason he isn't here is due to personal terms not being met? Or are we now allowed to speculate that Keegan turned players down and therefore by definition had an input to the transfer activity? I'm confused.com

That is someone's opinion and not the opinion of NUSC. Ok, but its been posted as representative of someone linked to NUSC's views and therefore assumed to be the viewpoint of NUSC very quickly. In exactly the same way the statement by NUSC has been taken to be representative of all NUFC fans (see the adidas link) very quicky. I'd wager that the majority of Newcastle fans do not support the views of NUSC, and therefore any claim to be trying to represent the fans is fraudulant imo

How much do you think PES brings in Konami a year? or Fifa for EA? £200m / £30 per game = 6.6 million units to be shipped over the course of a year across the world. (Fifa 08 shipped 1 million units in the UK in eight weeks) They could sell 40 billion units and it wouldn't change the fact that beta testing a game and the negotiations of purchasing a football club are carried out with vastly differing levels of candor, privacy and implied decorum, with vastly differing impacts resulting from leaks. So you don't think that the value of the PES/Fifa Asset to Konami/EA isn't worth a couple of hundred million? If you agree that they are then why should leaks be any less serious - also bear in mind that leaks re the accounts relate to past performance, leaks to the design/features of a game relate to future events which a competitor would love to counter-act.

How much do you think PES brings in Konami a year? or Fifa for EA? £200m / £30 per game = 6.6 million units to be shipped over the course of a year across the world. (Fifa 08 shipped 1 million units in the UK in eight weeks)

Tell the NUSC that

And now we have a misguided and mismanged supporters group shouting their mouths off to boot. I support the notion of fans coming together and working with the club, I don't subscribe to their nonsense about boycotting all addidas merchandise if they continue to support the club with Ashley in charge

Daft statement how do they know what is been done to sell the club. A ridiculous statement written by self important opportunists who fraudulently claim to represent Newcastle supporters. And as I said a couple of weeks ago, due to the name they will be taken as being representative of all fans. It's the same as NUFC.com being perceived as some sort of official fan site purely down to the lucky domain

Its quite ironic how a Supporters Club can produce such statements to erode one of the main assets of the club - i.e its loyal fan base

2 seperate commentators on Talksport today suggesting that if Ashley dropped the price back to £230m-£250m then the club would be sold to a Middle Eastern party in 2 hours. As the price stands no one from that neck of the woods is interested

Is every goal he scores a stunner? I think so! Bannnnnnnaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaa Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeee!

He's already back, he's wearing a Joe Kinnear mask

Away trips to Croatia and Russia hopefully

Someones spreading shite about you

Have you been on RTG today?

I hate the formation as a rule but.... Beye - Colo - Bassong Ftw (need a couple of wing backs though.....)

Agreed. He won't be in charge of Spurs on the first day of next season. Nearly!

Kinnear missed both goals. Only at Newcastle

Tactically he might be limited, but I've a feeling the dressing room will be more fun for having Joe around. Tactics are low on our list of priorities right now. Basic football played with a modicum of confidence. Get a few wins on the board then you can start applying tactical genius

There's a reason nobody has signed him yet, his knee is fucked. Game by game basis, if he's not bringing in a wage he is likely to take it.

If Kinnear is being given the rope to sign Carr, surely he could go after Appiah as well to solve our midfield problems

At first I thought you were joking, but SC could be tempted by the money, plus Ranger will be brought in to score his obligatory 4 goals per game. Well Im working on the theory of having 4 start strikers and one "Prospect". You calling Nile a prospect? How very dare you. Not only that - a "Prospect" at that

See (4) Scenario put forward that KK is happy to return

They could stop the legal action at any time True, but while they in the process of legal action against each other, which they are (and this clearly isnt going to change), they can no longer work together. Apologies for any my miscommunication. I can see what you are trying to say, but lets go back to the beginning here to clear up this mess. (1) Keegan is taking the club to court for construcitve dismissal (no evidence that this is happening but the scenario assumed it was) (2) Reason for constructive dismissal is Wise (for simplicity) (3) Keegan can not return to club as it would render his case impotent (this is where you end) (4) Scenario put forward that KK is happy to return (you say he cant due to steps 1-3) (5) (The clever bit) as KK is happy he drops case and returns to club.

They could stop the legal action at any time

based on what exactly? or is this some ITK bullshit, or just some blind faith in Mike Ashley? The article is incorrect in saying that the club made a profit in the year ending 30th June 2007, it was a loss of almost £33 million. The source of this is the published accounts available for £1 from Companies House. It is now October 2008, so your opinion is 18 months out of date, so it’s unsubstantiated blind faith in Mike Ashley. Putting two statements together to create an argument relies on logic, something missing from that post. The Telegraph article is clearly based on a copy of the Seymour Pierce report and if you'd been following the story closely you'd have noticed that the Telegraph have had the inside track on this story before the other majors. Personally, i reckon the article is correct as its based on FSA compliant documentation. If Seymour Pierce were distibuting financial documentation at odds with the accounts the'd be comitting fraud. I'm lost. Are you saying you think we made a £3.5m profit or a £33m loss? Whatever Seymour Pierce are saying about the finances of the club is more accurate than the internet musings of a non-qualified fan who thinks business debt and household debt work the same way. Not sure than answers your question but thats my position. I think Mr Pierce is being slightly naughty here - as you would expect him to if you had asked him to sell the club... Loss per accounts (33m) Add back interest 7m Add back ammortisation 23m Add back loss of player sales 2m Gives you an 'operating loss' - i.e loss from day to day activities of less than £500k The depreciation charge for the year was £3.5million, adding this back gives you a 'cash operating profit' of just over £3m. Where he has been a bit naughty in getting to this number is including the compensation for Michael Owen's injury (£6.75m) So both numbers are correct, just depends on what definition of profit you want. Personally I don't think either of the numbers should be used in describing the state of the club, but thats just me (oh and not directly quoting you Chez, just carrying on the conversation)