Dr Venkman

what?

and totally necessary i would say, its imperative for the good of the club that as many people as possible start to see him for what he really is, an opportunistic liar

yep, cant say i can see this encouraging come back that everyone else is seeing to be honest, cant remember him putting a good ball in yet tbh

Why? Because Jenas has had a couple of good games recently for Spurs? He was utterly s*** for us and has been for most of his time at Spurs so let's not have everyone saying how much they loved him and pretending they never wanted him to leave. And just think, if everyone put as much effort into supporting these players when they were at the club, giving them a lift instead of knocking them down all the time, then they might have been able to fulfil there potential and they might still be here. FALSE How has Jenas been playing this season? In recent weeks he's really stood out but I don't seem to remember much else. He's seemed ever present when fit under Ramos, is this true? He's been immense since Ramos took over tbh. Ive always been a big fan of his but he's more or less won everyone over with his Performances since Jol's departure. I think he's only missed one game since the change of management and that was only down to injury. Getting goals wasnt much of an issue for JJ but now he's imposing himself much more in games and is getting consitancy. It's just a question of, who's going to partner him...... Edit: Can someone actually clear up, why you guys hate him so much?. The Goldfish comment was made by the prat Souness and in a recent interview, Jenas was very complimentary about his time at Newcsatle. i dont HATE him, but he was fucking crap for us and bobby played him regardless of form which was just so frustrating, he was also part of the north east so solid contingent which is enough for me to dislike him, he might be a bit more consistent under ramos but i dont expect it'll last, up until a month ago he was just as bad for spurs as he was for us, and he'll never ever be able to finish

solano i'd have back instead of milner but parker's a case of grass is always greener, he was totally totally shite towards the end and i cant remember him playing TOO many passes forwards, another one to pass sideways and back to our centre halves? no thanks

midfielder? sign him

If that's Keegan's opinion I think he may keep it quiet until the Summer. It wouldn't exactly boost team morale in our fight to win points. I think some people are taking Keegan's "This is a quality squad" comment too seriously. It's not like he'd come out and say "Most of the squad are average to shite but I've got to try to motivate the useless bastards until I can get shot of them in the Summer. That's if their not so shit that they get us relegated". hahaha, would be interesting if he did though

a seperate one for attention whores would be useful so i dont have to read this shite

yup

He's injured too. heard he'd been stretchered off, how bad is it? Dislocated shoulder, still officially on loan at Falkirk but is back down here being looked after by our lot. ouch, hope it doesnt have any long term effects, i also hope he's not injury prone, was injured for a long time pretty recently wasnt he? would be just our luck tbh as he looked like a fucking beast against palermo? (disclaimer, cant remember if it was definitely palermo)

The cameraman didn't catch Duff and the defender when the ball was played, they were too far ahead of the play. How convenient. Looked miles on from where I was sitting, lush through ball from Charlie. yeah he looked on to me aswell but i sent me pa (who was watching on sky) a text asking and he said he was a 'fraction' off

He's injured too. heard he'd been stretchered off, how bad is it?

get krul back imo

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap. yeah i know i agree with you mate neither do i, do you consider booing to be constructive? not spoiling for an argument btw, genuinely interested as you seem like an intelligent enough guy I don't think booing is constructive per se - but in context, i understand it. When there has been a rank performance (Derby, for example), I completely support the right of any of our fans to boo. I don't think that solely playing for us shoudl make a player immune from criticism, or that the team as a whole shoudl be utouchable just because its NUFC. HOWEVER, i do believe it has a time and place, even in these circumstances - after a game, not during. Although i reserve my right to shout during the game, be it positive or negative, because its still about passion and feeling. fair enough mate, i reserve your right to shout too, i do a hell of a lot of shouting, positive and negative. i agree with all of your post, i even agree that people are entitled to boo, of course they are,its a free country and all that and i cant stop them, i just wish people would think about the consequences rather than their immediate satisfaction, the first thing keegan highlighted when he came in was the players lack of confidence and i fully believe the atmosphere at home games has contributed to that, and i've been saying it all season. i'd just dearly love to be proud of our support in bad times aswell as good

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap. yeah i know i agree with you mate neither do i, do you consider booing to be constructive? not spoiling for an argument btw, genuinely interested as you seem like an intelligent enough guy

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up.

cant argue with that too much, dont really rate martins but like everyone else i'm keen to see what keegan does with him, who knows i may even be surprised

Silliest post of the year by some distance. The booing was very very minimal. its not just about today, said that three times now, silly post. its about a growing concern that i've had about our fans all season, and i'm not the only one. But you've brought it up after only a tiny ammount of booing. Please dont make a banner about anti-bboing. It will only make you look like a bell-end. haha, oh the irony, i dont give a fuck what you think i look like, i want some positivity, some optimism, some confidence back like the manager does, do you? we can help you know, we are a CLUB after all, it doesnt have to be us and them. and as far as my timing goes i 'brought it up' fucking ages ago, i've been saying this all season.

Silliest post of the year by some distance. The booing was very very minimal. its not just about today, said that three times now, silly post. its about a growing concern that i've had about our fans all season, and i'm not the only one.

fucking hell, just seeing the replay of their goal now and thats a SHOCKING decision

sshh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good slagging. Give your head a shake man for God's sake. Sorry but I don't see the point in complaining about Owen when he's scored two goals even though our attacking play was blunt at best. I'm not just talking about today. In the Premiership, your centre forward has to be able to do more than just score the odd from a set piece. With the ball at his feet these days, Owen is totally impotent. He just won't put chances anymore. It's a matter of accepting that rather than categorising it as "a good slagging." I find it insanely comical that the only goal Michael Owen seems capable of scoring these days is a header. He's like shorter pre-WC2006 Miroslav Klose Yes cos he's missed SO many chances on the deck hasn't he? About 3. Who cares what his goals are like? So what if they're headers? f*** me. I just find it funny that what used to be a small part of his game (his superb set-piece positioning) is just about all he has left to score goals. The worrying thing isn't that he's missing chances on the deck, it's that he has no ability whatsoever to create them anymore. Even then, he's missed far more than three easy chances with his foot this season. Honestly mate, what do you expect a player to do when the ball is constantly played to him in front of the defence? We next to never really get in behind teams, Owen gets the ball 'in the whole' because he's forced to drop in search of the ball. Owen in a team like Tottenham would be awesome. That's what they try to do every attack. Get the winger in behind and lay or chip a ball in. He ffeds off s****. He isn't the same player as when he joined us even, but still has it. Have you considered that he's only getting the ball in front of the defence because he's not fast enough/not mobile enough to make piercing runs in behind them anymore? Our central midfield may be incompetent, but they're not completel idiots. If Owen moves into a good position they will try the thru pass. It just hasn't happened a lot and when it has, it hasn't worke dout. Don't give me that, seriously. You probably think Martins is better cos he runs fast. every time someone says to me 'martins would have got that' my response is 'aye, he'd have missed it aswell though'

i was so frustrated at that being given (and the refereeing in general) that i stood up, turned around, lifted my seat up and kicked it as hard as i could, fucking knacked my toes, probably a good job no stewards saw me actually, haha, i felt pretty stupid afterwards but a bit less stressed

can i come and sit with you lot?

sshh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good slagging. Give your head a shake man for God's sake. Sorry but I don't see the point in complaining about Owen when he's scored two goals even though our attacking play was blunt at best. I'm not just talking about today. In the Premiership, your centre forward has to be able to do more than just score the odd from a set piece. With the ball at his feet these days, Owen is totally impotent. He just won't put chances anymore. It's a matter of accepting that rather than categorising it as "a good slagging." Owen is still a good finisher IMO, but he doesn't offer much else, that much I agree with. The problems are much more concern in other areas of the pitch for me. Right wing, playmaker and central defence for a start. What's your evidence that he's a good finisher? Apart from a couple of scrappy tap ins (today and Stoke), he's scored one goal with his feet this season - against Barnsley. You can say we're not creating, but today, against Arsenal in the cup and against Man City off the top of my head, he's had chances that your typical Premiership striker should bury without a second thought. Had loads earlier in the season too (two simple ones against Wigan spring to mind). i agree its a worrying thing with owen where he seems to be missing more chances than he used to, but he's not as good as used to be, simple as, that said i think he's still our best striker and with a better passing team around him i think he'd be ten times the player, was pretty pleased with him today tbh

Nonsense. They played some good passing football and controlled the midfield for big parts of the game. they came here to put 10 men behind the ball and get us on the counter And? They did a good job of it. ok you can go back to the boro boards now