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This post rates close to 10/10. I can guarantee no detractor will have the balls to debate or dispute it on it's own merits but may well hark back to the days before Shepherd and Hall as a crutch defence and attempt to divert the issues addressed. You would be wrong then. I can guarantee that no detractor, especially those who weren't around pre - 1992 and think that NUFC have always won trophies galore and the Halls and Shepherd are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory, would have the balls to dispute that a young quality defender is just as good a buy as an older quality defender, as he can spend his career with you, but whether they are young or old, you have to be prepared to pay a fee if they are under contract. And the competition will be hot if they are good, and the competition will not be so hot if they are not so good. And if they are good, they won't sign for clubs that they think are not going to be successful, or clubs that offer less money than someone else. We did quite well to sign Woodgate. For big money. There was also unknown, or cheap foreigners over the years such as Dumas, Marcelino, Goma, Boumsong, Babayaro, Pistone, Charvet, and younger players such as Bramble, O'Brien, Griffin, as part of a "plan" for those who think everybody but us has a "plan". Lets hope these new defenders are better than most of that little lot, the vast majority of whom were celebrated when arrived because we needed defenders. The bottom line, is that if you want quality, you invariably pay, either with a transfer fee or in wages. Woodgate is the absolute proof. Or rather, if you don't, then your chances of success - depending on your ambition for the club - is seriously diminished. But - at least in terms of the ones who we paid money for, they tried, and backed the manager. I cant fault that. I do think there is evidence though that Allardyce can get good players for small amounts or on a free. We are lucky to have him and we both know who to thank. As I've said earlier, he's said he can't get the players he wants because we have no European football so it makes sense if he's looking to bring in players that can get us into Europe on short term contracts so he can try for the players he wants in January/next summer. Dismissing people because they're free is stupid when nearly everyone would have taken Campbell and Distin under the same circumstances. Spending money on players you don't want to keep numpties on messageboards happy is not the way forward either, both manager and chairman have said the money is there so I really can't see what your problem is, and before you start I couldn't care less about Shepherd or Hall now, they're history and Ashley will get my full support until I think things are going wrong, that's not 2 weeks after taking over either. I think numpties on message boards - or anywhere for that matter - are people who think that success can be obtained without spending money, people who slate the last board for not spending cash despite spending bucketfuls and are now saying not spending any is the way forward, people who think having a DOF cures all your ills, and biggest of all people who think all you need is a "plan" to be successful and we haven't had one having played in the Champions League, europe regularly and reached a couple of Cup Finals in the last decade. There are 2 possibilities here One is that Ashley came in and knew it would cost 200m quid to buy the club and clear the debt. If this is the case, the slate is clean and he has written this money off and is running the club in the way he sees fit. Two is that he didn't, meaning he's not a shrewd as people are making out ? And another 3rd option, which Vic touched on, is that Allardyce is still thinking in Bolton mode, and not high enough for Newcastle. Which is it ? bear in mind his comment about "they would be stupid not to back me now" He's said he's got money but the players he wants want come because we have no European football - You seem to be ignoring this and trying to get it through to you is like banging your head against a brick wall. Do you think Allardyce is lying? If you look at our dealings in the past we managed to sweeten the lack of Euopean/Champions League football through grossly exaggerated wages and minimum release clauses (means to an end). If Mort/Ashley/Sam have put a stop to this and offered a fair wage but no 'compensation wages' as it were then it has to be a good thing and falls in the middle of your two arguments. So I wouldn't say Sam is lying, but under the Freddy regime I reckon one or two of these players would have been persuaded to sign due to our 'ambtion'. Be careful you aren't labelled a Shepherd lover or anything else similarly daft, simply for pointing out something which is a very real possibility. And you think paying over the odds in terms of wages is a good thing? It's one of the contributing factors as to why this club doesn't make a profit. I suppose it was a good idea to pay Luque a bigger wage to make up for our lack of European football? Shame we offered him so much that nobody will take him of our hands, not even on loan. I did insinuate not to use the extreme case. I should have known someone would. By the other extreme I could say if we carry on not paying the going rate and buying cheap players, as you seem to want to do, we would end up like the mackems have been [which is where we were right alongside them before the Halls and Shepherd], Sheff Wed, Wolves etc How do you work out we'll end up like Sheffied Wed and Wolves when we've already signed the likes of Viduka, Barton, Smith and Geremi this summer? All on good wages no doubt. You've stopped reading my comments properly. I have said a few times that Allardyce has done very well with his limited resources - geddit ? How much have we made through sales again ? They've been in charge 2 weekss and you've already made your mind up that they haven't got any money to spend. How are you going to feel if they go out and buy baines and this Drago fella? Will that make you happy to see them spending money? Notwithstanding Ive no idea how good this Drago is, and I'm not sure how good I think Baines is, then if they back the manager, of course. My expectation is for them to at least match the s**** board that they replaced, by qualifying for the Champions League, getting a few top 4 finishes, playing regularly in europe. Wouldn't you agree that a better board should prove it by doing better or not ? I haven't made my mind up at all BTW, I read what Allardyce said and didn't put rose tinted specs on when I read it. Maybe it was a shock tactic that worked, but it shouldn't be like that, if it is indeed a sign of things to come, or he is going to spend his career as Newcastle battling for cash, then he will walk. is it really ALL about league finishes though? surely there has to be SOME element of thought paid to reducing debt, building a squad with free signings and relatively low level signings so that we can progress as a team, looking at defence aswell as attack, its all very well spunking big on attacking players to make up for our lack of quality at the back, and lack of quality in the management team, but isnt it better to make sure all the core elements are in place first? to be honest it sounds to me like you were so traumatised by the pre 1992 era, that after things have gotten better under the halls/shepherds you're just reluctant to let go, things change man, clubs move on, sheperd was a cretin and we're lucky to be rid of him, there are so many things that matter more than 'releasing funds' like a lot of people have said before me, give them a chance man Can't believe the furore just because myself - and a few others - have expressed concern about Allardyce's own words to be honest. Anyone would think that people were pretending he didn't say them for some reason. Can't think why. If anyone knows the true situation as regarding backing of the manager, its him. i take your point, but the same could be said of your over-reaction to allardyces comments, posting 'back to the dark ages' every five minutes, as someone already said, sam is a moaner man, we never know why managers say certain things, lets see what happens, there's nothing wrong with a bit of optimism, everything in moderation

This post rates close to 10/10. I can guarantee no detractor will have the balls to debate or dispute it on it's own merits but may well hark back to the days before Shepherd and Hall as a crutch defence and attempt to divert the issues addressed. You would be wrong then. I can guarantee that no detractor, especially those who weren't around pre - 1992 and think that NUFC have always won trophies galore and the Halls and Shepherd are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory, would have the balls to dispute that a young quality defender is just as good a buy as an older quality defender, as he can spend his career with you, but whether they are young or old, you have to be prepared to pay a fee if they are under contract. And the competition will be hot if they are good, and the competition will not be so hot if they are not so good. And if they are good, they won't sign for clubs that they think are not going to be successful, or clubs that offer less money than someone else. We did quite well to sign Woodgate. For big money. There was also unknown, or cheap foreigners over the years such as Dumas, Marcelino, Goma, Boumsong, Babayaro, Pistone, Charvet, and younger players such as Bramble, O'Brien, Griffin, as part of a "plan" for those who think everybody but us has a "plan". Lets hope these new defenders are better than most of that little lot, the vast majority of whom were celebrated when arrived because we needed defenders. The bottom line, is that if you want quality, you invariably pay, either with a transfer fee or in wages. Woodgate is the absolute proof. Or rather, if you don't, then your chances of success - depending on your ambition for the club - is seriously diminished. But - at least in terms of the ones who we paid money for, they tried, and backed the manager. I cant fault that. I do think there is evidence though that Allardyce can get good players for small amounts or on a free. We are lucky to have him and we both know who to thank. As I've said earlier, he's said he can't get the players he wants because we have no European football so it makes sense if he's looking to bring in players that can get us into Europe on short term contracts so he can try for the players he wants in January/next summer. Dismissing people because they're free is stupid when nearly everyone would have taken Campbell and Distin under the same circumstances. Spending money on players you don't want to keep numpties on messageboards happy is not the way forward either, both manager and chairman have said the money is there so I really can't see what your problem is, and before you start I couldn't care less about Shepherd or Hall now, they're history and Ashley will get my full support until I think things are going wrong, that's not 2 weeks after taking over either. I think numpties on message boards - or anywhere for that matter - are people who think that success can be obtained without spending money, people who slate the last board for not spending cash despite spending bucketfuls and are now saying not spending any is the way forward, people who think having a DOF cures all your ills, and biggest of all people who think all you need is a "plan" to be successful and we haven't had one having played in the Champions League, europe regularly and reached a couple of Cup Finals in the last decade. There are 2 possibilities here One is that Ashley came in and knew it would cost 200m quid to buy the club and clear the debt. If this is the case, the slate is clean and he has written this money off and is running the club in the way he sees fit. Two is that he didn't, meaning he's not a shrewd as people are making out ? And another 3rd option, which Vic touched on, is that Allardyce is still thinking in Bolton mode, and not high enough for Newcastle. Which is it ? bear in mind his comment about "they would be stupid not to back me now" He's said he's got money but the players he wants want come because we have no European football - You seem to be ignoring this and trying to get it through to you is like banging your head against a brick wall. Do you think Allardyce is lying? If you look at our dealings in the past we managed to sweeten the lack of Euopean/Champions League football through grossly exaggerated wages and minimum release clauses (means to an end). If Mort/Ashley/Sam have put a stop to this and offered a fair wage but no 'compensation wages' as it were then it has to be a good thing and falls in the middle of your two arguments. So I wouldn't say Sam is lying, but under the Freddy regime I reckon one or two of these players would have been persuaded to sign due to our 'ambtion'. Be careful you aren't labelled a Shepherd lover or anything else similarly daft, simply for pointing out something which is a very real possibility. And you think paying over the odds in terms of wages is a good thing? It's one of the contributing factors as to why this club doesn't make a profit. I suppose it was a good idea to pay Luque a bigger wage to make up for our lack of European football? Shame we offered him so much that nobody will take him of our hands, not even on loan. I did insinuate not to use the extreme case. I should have known someone would. By the other extreme I could say if we carry on not paying the going rate and buying cheap players, as you seem to want to do, we would end up like the mackems have been [which is where we were right alongside them before the Halls and Shepherd], Sheff Wed, Wolves etc How do you work out we'll end up like Sheffied Wed and Wolves when we've already signed the likes of Viduka, Barton, Smith and Geremi this summer? All on good wages no doubt. You've stopped reading my comments properly. I have said a few times that Allardyce has done very well with his limited resources - geddit ? How much have we made through sales again ? They've been in charge 2 weekss and you've already made your mind up that they haven't got any money to spend. How are you going to feel if they go out and buy baines and this Drago fella? Will that make you happy to see them spending money? Notwithstanding Ive no idea how good this Drago is, and I'm not sure how good I think Baines is, then if they back the manager, of course. My expectation is for them to at least match the s**** board that they replaced, by qualifying for the Champions League, getting a few top 4 finishes, playing regularly in europe. Wouldn't you agree that a better board should prove it by doing better or not ? I haven't made my mind up at all BTW, I read what Allardyce said and didn't put rose tinted specs on when I read it. Maybe it was a shock tactic that worked, but it shouldn't be like that, if it is indeed a sign of things to come, or he is going to spend his career as Newcastle battling for cash, then he will walk. is it really ALL about league finishes though? surely there has to be SOME element of thought paid to reducing debt, building a squad with free signings and relatively low level signings so that we can progress as a team, looking at defence aswell as attack, its all very well spunking big on attacking players to make up for our lack of quality at the back, and lack of quality in the management team, but isnt it better to make sure all the core elements are in place first? to be honest it sounds to me like you were so traumatised by the pre 1992 era, that after things have gotten better under the halls/shepherds you're just reluctant to let go, things change man, clubs move on, sheperd was a cretin and we're lucky to be rid of him, there are so many things that matter more than 'releasing funds' like a lot of people have said before me, give them a chance man

aaaaaahaha, i saw that too, what a tool

personally i'm happy that shepherd has gone, i'm happy with players gone and happy with who's arrived, obviously i could be happier but thats always possible, i'm happy with what chris mort is saying in the press, i'm happy that they're looking at the debt because in the long term thats a very important thing to get a hold of, all in all i'd say it looks like things are on the up, obviously you'll get people saying freddy always stumped up the cash etc etc, but there was always something not quite right about that man, whether it be sacking people, comments in the press, going over the managers head etc etc. Either way over the last ten years a LOT of ill feeling has grown towards him from the supporters and that does not happen over such a length of time unless there's a reason for it. Allardyce was a great appointment, but in all seriousness, i could have told you he was a good bet and i've never pocketed half a mil a year from the club. I supose all of this makes me a loser, i'm looking forward to the new season.

if thats directed at me i was referring to him getting 'tech' people to cut clips that he wants to show players, i wasn't aware of that

he's a clever one is our sam

never heard of him

gutted also if this is true

juh ray mee is the best player ever

utter shite, soon the league will start and they'll have other things to write about, like injuries. bunch of jealous, unsettling, cockney wankers tbh

heinze doesnt want to come, and as far as baines goes it looks like a mixture of sam not liking him and whelan not selling to ashley, or then again you could subscribe to the notion that they're just not gonna give sam ANY money, who knows, time will tell i suppose, i trust sam though

should have retired local hero when big al left imo,as much as i love it. make it ace of spades

The absence of a brain? Jokes aside, I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. well my rather limited knowlage of biology has told me that titus bramble wouldn't even be able to do basic functions such as breathe, think, or play scrabble without a brain. i think its more likely that the part of the brain which deals with coordinated movements (cerebellum) has been damaged. Either that or the connections between the cerebellum and cerebrum are faulty. also known as being really really stupid and not being able to even contemplate reading a game?

100 percent agree, they made themselves look like fools going on like that

You're just jealous because he has more money than you, I can tell these things. shit, i've been found out

just sent this to skysports news, i've never bothered before but david craig commenting on it made me irate can everyone PLEASE stop saying that freddy shepherd put his money where is mouth was, not a single penny of that cash was his, it was OURS, we put that money into the club, and he thanked us by slagging off the people of newcastle, selling players without the managers say so, sacking bobby at a ridiculous time of the season, employing a terrible manager in souness and refusing to buy any defenders, and thats just a small fraction of the things he supposedly did for the good of the club, bye bye freddy, you wont be missed

another morning,absolutely no transfer news, i'm sick of checking now.

Good odd's i'd say. What order of appearances do you think our strikers will finish with? I can see Ameobi and Martins being the top 2, given the injury proneness of Owen and Viduka. just what i was thinking

what odds that the partnership off Martins - Ameobi will start more times than Owen - Viduka next season?

who is this tawio you all speak of?

i'd agree, when he first went to man u he looked like robocop playing at left back, very very combative, he was dodgy last season but on form i'd take him over any other left back in the premier league

Where did you read that? cant find it mate, was on newsnow about half an hour ago, there was no direct quotes like but i just thought the timing was too coincidental

heinze, read an article this afternoon that ashley was ready to bid over the asking price for him, even if he rejects it at least its a chink of light i.e. ashley's gonna stump up some much needed cash for defenders whether this review's finished or not

i think he'd b this season he was, he scored 14 goals in the premier league, the same tally as wayne rooney