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I suspect that I'd be more inclined to believe golfmag... Aye, but do you believe Terry Venables? I fucking don't. Do you want the job? Consider it, we're all out of options.

I think it's unfair to blame the fanzines, everyone was a little....hectic a couple of weeks ago, I know of people who weren't taking their kids because they knew how it was going to be. I was fucking livid myself, even cheered the banner which I later realised was silly, people wanted a focus, and that was it. I'm not blaming 'us' btw, just saying there were mistakes made by many parties, supporters included, me, you etc. Not really a response to you, but I quoted you anyway, we all make mistakes I don't blame fans for being livid at what happened, but those who supposedly speak for the fans have an extra responsibilty. If you are going to organise and set up protests in the name of the fans, through publications and in print, at least you should think through the consequences. Perhaps so, but they're not professional journalists, just supporters who happen to write about it, carried along with the rest of us who lost our rags a bit, the important thing is that the future is more important than the (recent) past. I have nothing to do with any publication before you ask, only rarely read either.

I think it's unfair to blame the fanzines, everyone was a little....hectic a couple of weeks ago, I know of people who weren't taking their kids because they knew how it was going to be. I was fucking livid myself, even cheered the banner which I later realised was silly, people wanted a focus, and that was it. I'm not blaming 'us' btw, just saying there were mistakes made by many parties, supporters included, me, you etc. Not really a response to you, but I quoted you anyway, we all make mistakes

After much depressing thinking, I actually agree. One day we'll all look back on this and laugh. It's definitely just resigning yourself to what's on offer rather than wishing for an ideal. I hope the laughing day is sooner rather than later. I'm even having trouble with gallows (Gallowgate?) humour right now.

Terry V's Black and White army! We're not going to get anyone better right now, I say go for it.

Cheers, you did right, whatever anyone thinks of TV.

You would think a media source owned by Murdoch would ....oh, wait.

He was quoted saying more talks would be held today pal. Oh right, well shut me up! I'm just getting the news from here, apparently not very carefully.

The fact we've heard nothing more suggests to me he's rejected the post. If Sky knew anything in the first place.

It's not going to happen, but yes. Only way I can see him returning to management is in the Championship or lower.....oh, wait.

Shearer has to be careful what he says as well, what he actually thinks might not be broadcastable.

Oh I see what you mean, the cockney gangster bit as well as Souness. No, I was just bemoaning the terrible state our club is in when they're seen as the best we could hope for. I skipped out on going to the game last night, even left the pub at half time, I really can't remember doing that before. If I could stop caring I would. Can cope with the highs and lows, but this feels like a roller-coaster which only does downwards. Could be worse, and will be if the mackems beat us next month. I'm expecting some long overdue abuse from them.

and monkey heed has to have been added for a laugh.

souness dalgleish curbishley peter reid howard wilkinson etc etc etc al preferable to a 3rd cockney gangster It's come to this. We're going to get fucked over on Saturday. You agree with that abomination of a post? Just to reiterate, the name of SOUNESS is included in that list. No, just agree that it's a realistic list, and some of them would likely refuse. *edit* By 'come to this' I mean we're barrel scraping, as no decent manager would touch us.

I don't hate Londoners at all, some of my best friends etc. OK we have a laugh about it, but really, if you know the people with the banner, please tell them to cut it out. It makes us look like dicks apart from anything else, and we're getting quite enough humiliation on the pitch.

souness dalgleish curbishley peter reid howard wilkinson etc etc etc al preferable to a 3rd cockney gangster It's come to this. We're going to get fucked over on Saturday.

I hope so as thatll mean we're still in the premiership Good positive thinking. I'd just go as I lived in Wolverhampton for a few years, so I could make a weekend of it.

So, anyone up for a visit to Molineux next season?

I only watched the first dreary half in a pub, nipped home at half time as I'd forgotten my baccy. Was there long enough to see how bad it had got. Decided to give the rest a miss. Phoned my mam even, she remembers when we were good. She had nothing positive to say...

Is it fair to discourage the use of the cockneys out banner now? I know it's been discussed lots, and everyone has the right to express their opinion, but it isn't helpful. Maybe not the right thread, but I'm not jumping into the huge threads with this, it's sort of relevant.

I'm sure that's not the police helicopter overhead....

I agree, but some people probably aren't making a protest by not going, they just guess it could be a particularly miserable game, regardless of the result. I'm still undecided, let's face it, it'll be easy to get tickets on the gate.

You've been here two years, no excuse whatsoever. Strangely I don't lurk every day, just an occasional poster, thanks for your input. Now go away.

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Aye. New rule. Understood boss. Reading should have scored an own goal to be sporting, though it could be seen as taking the piss out of the officials.