Ronaldo

As for the fraud That would the brochure distributor with the 'powerful physique'

not going to get into a debate about that again. Anyone bringing up the Leyton Orient game as a positive thing needs a slap though. The worst players on the pitch that day are still here by all accounts. Martins had 45 minutes coming back from an injury and won a penalty so the effort couldn't have been that minimal.

Bit like Oba then, who seems to have free pass from Newcastle fans but at least the players at club spotted the fans favorites as frauds when it came to head after Leyton Orient game. Shame these iron men haven't spotted Butt as a fraud

Tend to agree with this, and Dave tbh

Cant believe nobody has mentioned Tony Blair either only on the very first reply like

Yeah well, againt half-decent central defenders it wont work, which is why we need Jonas and Harewood starting and a little bit of football played.

It was nowt to do with homework imo We gave the ball away far too often and just seemed to lack shape, structure and any sort of a plan other than to whack it to Carroll. And don't even get me started on the first half, the midfield were pretty much bossed from start to finish due to the ridiculous diamond formation in which we ended up with 4 cloggers scrapping for the same ball in the middle of the park. Absolutely embarrassing.

This is almost a shame. It was funny seeing him stay on the bench, game after game after game.

As were Cardiff, Blackpool (by all accounts) and Sheff Wed to some degree. We're just not a good footballing side when we play certain players and certain tactics

We knew QPR would be the toughest yet? Don't see how, they're a pretty woeful team

He made us look a different team when he came on, and the cohesion with Enrique is very encouraging. Why should he release the ball earlier? Before Harewood came on he had nobody to aim for

He's an easy target

Why was Steve Stone on the radio?

Tony Scott?

I'd try that tbh

Hughes? If he though Butt was a liability he wouldn't be starting him twice in 3 days

lots of arguing amongst the players tonight, both Nolan and Smith were absolutely laying into Taylor in the first half, Smith gave him one hell of a bollocking for not pushing up at one point. I felt bad for Enrique in the first half, Butt was supposed to be playing in front of him but wandered into the middle, the useless cunt

I actually think Ranger is the far better prospect of the two tbh. Carroll will never ever be a top striker imo, I know that's basically throwing darts at a board but he doesn't really demonstrate genuine ability with his feet very often at all. That said, Carroll right now can be very effective at this level and i'm content for him to remain in the team until Pele returns.

Quite loud tbf

He's not getting a chance because he hasn't earned one yet. Ranger's been far more effective and worked much harder when given a first team shirt. Ranger hasn't scored in 8 games against utterly useless opposition. Lovenkrands always tries hard imo and showed last season that he can make an impact when it matters

Why clearly not? You're here arguing that our senior players should be playing because they're much better. Well considering their experience and probable wages both Harewood and Lovenkrands should be keeping the likes of Carroll and Ranger out of the starting line-up. I misunderstood, my apologies.

clearly not, but one of them should be starting

yeah, 5.5 having reconsidered that one. I like his enthusiasm and positivity going forward, but very little came off for him

the whole 'don't change a winning team' philosophy is rubbish tbh. Especially when you're playing 2 games in just over 3 days.

bang on with that