Lenny

didnt roeder say hes never been able to put owen on a team sheet in an interview even tho he has?

i dont understand how a lot of people are picking edgar as first choice left back, i know he played well in the game he played there but it was only 1 game and its not even his natural position. hes not even left footed (is he?). i know babayaro isnt great but at least he offers a bit of balance and support when going forward.

I would agree with that

better late than never thought id put mine in: Given Solano Taylor Gooch Babayaro Dyer* Parker Emre Duff Owen Martins Harper Bramble Butt Milner Nzogbia *Dyer can go up front if we need a striker. Thats based on players being on top form (and parker being told hes a DM)

i think that spurs dont have a particularly brilliant first 11, they have a decent squad but i think that their biggest asset is their team work. as much as i hate to admit it, when they are playing at home they play some really attractive football. I dont think anyone can call them shit though. Maybe a little overrated but not shit. They will probably finish within a few places of us, like most seasons.

at the end of the day mate, we aint gonna come to an agreement on this so we might as well just leave it there!

Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I'm still not sure anyone here is acting like he was wholly innocent though. Even Bellamy himself admits he made mistakes. ok maybe not necessarily acting like he was innocent, but certainly forgave him for everything he did. I would be inclined to say that thats because he was a good player for us, but at the same time Kieron Dyer is hated by some so there is an element of favouritism in it. I don't think you can generalise like that. I just want us to do well on the pitch, if we have problem characters who give us another dimension then I want the manager to deal with them in a sensible manner, for the benifit of the team. That includes Dyer, at times when his itime on the pitch is limited due to injury then I can understand people having a go considering the wages we pay for him, but I think most things can be forgotten when he is out there playing and helping us win games. Anyhoo, as the Janitor say's there are some cracking interviews with Carver backing up most of what I have said. He is a pain in the arse, but was worth it. i cant really argue with what you say there, i think its safe (i hope) to say that bellamy certainly didnt help himself. as i said earlier tho, i didnt want him to go, but i think he had to go.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I'm still not sure anyone here is acting like he was wholly innocent though. Even Bellamy himself admits he made mistakes. ok maybe not necessarily acting like he was innocent, but certainly forgave him for everything he did. I would be inclined to say that thats because he was a good player for us, but at the same time Kieron Dyer is hated by some so there is an element of favouritism in it.

is there anyone on here that is actually sitting on the fence because it just seems like everyones opinions is of one extreme!!

as much as he was a cunt or whatever you want to call him he was still appointed as manager so you have to have a level of respect for your manager if you have your own interests in playing for the team at heart.

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post. funny cos i agree with 100% of that! Funny indeed to agreed 100% with such exaggerated nonsense (a hallmark of any rant regarding Bellamy it seems). Whether he refused to play or not is entirely down to who you choose to believe. Bellamy continued to voice that despite protesting playing out wide, he had never and would never refuse to play in any position. I'm not even sure Souness himself ever said that Bellamy had flatly refused to play, but if he did, forgive me for remaining suspicious. As to the 100% thing, every manager that he had worked with prior to Souness (or post in the case of Hughes/O'Neill, no idea about Rafa) said that his commitment to training and playing was second to none, and that despite a pushy belief in himself driving them and others to distraction, every single one of them would have him in their team and work with him again. He was the same even as a kid according to my uncle. So no, he is clearly no angel (he may even be a complete arse) an but I don't agree that he was the cancer that Souness needed to cut out. Nor do I agree that we were better off as a club losing him in the manner we did, a manner that was all too predictable as soon as Souness laid his first blow soon after he arrived by questioning publicly whether Bellamy was even a proper striker. I do believe he was and still is a very good player who helped push the club closer to tasting success again for a short period, and that what's done is done. I won't boo or bait him for reacting to Souness, a man who it could be could argued was in the end a f*** sight more damaging to NUFC. ok fair enough maybe i shouldnt have said 100% but i think that a lot of people tend to think he was completely innocent when he was a s*** before souness even came. What about the rooney bid incident, even robson turned round to bellamy and said he was fed up of incident after incident. i think the reason he is more handleable (if thats a word) now is that he got a reality check when he left and has had to pull his finger out of his arse. I don't know anybody who thinks that, tbh. Nope, nor do many of us even want him back desparately, just remember the good times, how he drove the team forward on the pitch, and are heartely sickened by those who readily accept the managers (who had a history of clashing with top players that I assumed dared to question his s*** decisions) assertion that his departure was inevitable and good for the club. Something those of us not brandishing pitch forks and seemingly all of his other employers would disagree with. Well a lot of people tend to act like hes innocent. I dont even like Souness and as for rememberin the good times he was my favourite player at the time but it doesnt take away the issue that he was always in trouble and coursed so much controversy when at the club. and as for what someone said above, you wont see me moaning about us being a mid table club or will you have ever seen it, but if one person whether they are that good or not is a constant disruption then the club can do without them, and just because i think he was right to go doesnt mean i think that we should be getting rid of our best players. I didnt want him to go, but he should have gone!

i think that most of the players such as dyer got their act together when souness came in, whereas robert and bellamy were too stubborn to accept the change. Robert was shit even in robsons last season, he was lazy and was a complete liability apart from when we had free kicks, and even they werent that good by the end its just the sheer volume of free kicks he took hes gonna get some on target. His corners were piss poor as well, never beat the first man. bellamy, unfortunatly for us and himself maintained his shit attitude and fucked up. i maintain that both players had to go and souness was right to get rid.

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post. funny cos i agree with 100% of that! Funny indeed to agreed 100% with such exaggerated nonsense (a hallmark of any rant regarding Bellamy it seems). Whether he refused to play or not is entirely down to who you choose to believe. Bellamy continued to voice that despite protesting playing out wide, he had never and would never refuse to play in any position. I'm not even sure Souness himself ever said that Bellamy had flatly refused to play, but if he did, forgive me for remaining suspicious. As to the 100% thing, every manager that he had worked with prior to Souness (or post in the case of Hughes/O'Neill, no idea about Rafa) said that his commitment to training and playing was second to none, and that despite a pushy belief in himself driving them and others to distraction, every single one of them would have him in their team and work with him again. He was the same even as a kid according to my uncle. So no, he is clearly no angel (he may even be a complete arse) an but I don't agree that he was the cancer that Souness needed to cut out. Nor do I agree that we were better off as a club losing him in the manner we did, a manner that was all too predictable as soon as Souness laid his first blow soon after he arrived by questioning publicly whether Bellamy was even a proper striker. I do believe he was and still is a very good player who helped push the club closer to tasting success again for a short period, and that what's done is done. I won't boo or bait him for reacting to Souness, a man who it could be could argued was in the end a f*** sight more damaging to NUFC. ok fair enough maybe i shouldnt have said 100% but i think that a lot of people tend to think he was completely innocent when he was a shit before souness even came. What about the rooney bid incident, even robson turned round to bellamy and said he was fed up of incident after incident. i think the reason he is more handleable (if thats a word) now is that he got a reality check when he left and has had to pull his finger out of his arse.

Are there really people this thick? 4 statements in one paragraph and each one a masterpiece in total and utter stupidity. I wonder how much practice at being plain stupid Mark puts in every hour/day/week/month/year/decade - but by feck he's an expert so well done lad. now im not sure whether to just call u a complete c*** or ask u to justify why you think its complete s***? Try the latter, the former's a given.

Are there really people this thick? 4 statements in one paragraph and each one a masterpiece in total and utter stupidity. I wonder how much practice at being plain stupid Mark puts in every hour/day/week/month/year/decade - but by feck he's an expert so well done lad. now im not sure whether to just call u a complete cunt or ask u to justify why you think its complete shit?

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post. funny cos i agree with 100% of that!

I like how people blame souness for the bellamy situation but he walked all over robson, he had to go and as much as i hated souness i think he was correct in gettin rid of him. There was terrible indiscipline when souness came in and he actually sorted a lot of it out to his credit. I think he was right in gettin rid of him and Robert! Hes a good player but a complete twat!

James Beattie is quite a limited footballer, limited to knocking the ball in. Whereas Lita is more versatile than him, though his primary asset is still is finishing. Lita could appear to be "lazy" at times but when he plays he is a much better player than Beattie. My opinions. Leroys main asset is probably his positioning and the fact that he knows how to find the net, which is obviously a trait of a good striker. Im just not sure if he can keep it up. It would be so weird seeing him play for newcastle for sure!

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ANDY f****** GRAY! best pundit/analyst there is tbh. i cannot stand him, i used to think he was ok but i get the impression he just thinks hes the absolute man now. He talks a lot of sense when he's not commentating on games but fucks me off royally when hes commentating.

He barely moves? I thought he is one of the best player in the second half. Showed some good movements and good positioning. I think he will at the very least achieve as much as Darren Bent. Kevin Doyle, Leloy Lita, David Kitson, Stephen Hunt Bobby Convey, James Harper, Steve Sidwell Nicky Shorey, Alan Bennett, Greg Halford Steve Coppell Reading is going to be a force to be reckoned for quite a while. i didnt watch the game today, im only going by what iv seen of him! i remember James Beattie scored 10 in 10 once... in all seriousness though, good potential but i dont really rate him.

10 goals in his last 10 games, for a lazy fucker he must be very lucky! yeah he has an eye for goal i guess, but everytime i see him he seems to stand around not doing much. maybe jealousy seeping through as i played for Margate youth with him!! lol

Thierry Henry's dancing celebration!

ANDY FUCKING GRAY!

Newcastle 99% of the time designing s*** away shirts Newcastle 99.9% of the time having a decent third shirt, and never wearing it! (apart from in europe this year)