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I don't know why we are so desperate to see him play in a low key friendly we are a matter of a few short weeks from the start of the season we should be holding onto him wrapped in cotton wool in the hope we keep him fit till xmas and beyond not pushing him into something when he is not 100%.

3m yes I would bite their hands off 6m would get us baines and would much rather have a decent young LB sorted than a player who has a big ? over him.

exactly how will spuds with their fabulous wage structure include dyer in the equation??

sat nav company?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the central point of your argument is that it takes a decent manager to get the best out of players. In addition, our players are 'not a patch' on yours, according to one clown. So in other words, you've had great managers and great players but still achieved nothing! The reality is that the whole system needs to work from top to bottom to get the best results but to imply that we have only achieved success because of Big Sam would be wrong. There are plenty of people behind the scenes, including Sammy Lee and all of the current coaching staff, who have played their part. Ok I will correct you that you are wrong. I was agreeing with massive elements of your posts and I and many others are first to admit spending big, having a massive fan base, having good "on paper" managers dont deem success. But as usual you only pick out a small element of what is being posted is that cause you stop to reply on only part of a reply done to you?? As your not a fan of the club I guess you dont know about the ins and outs although alot of our shit is made public gaping problems about who has had control on signings where to spend on the squad and structure have been out of managers hands, an again as I have said before with an impatient fan base and a trigger happy chairman it usually means we go through managers like the rest of us do socks.

Dalglish, Gullitt, Bobby Robson. All decent managers who won things with previous clubs, so why didn't they achieve anything at Newcastle? It's not all down to the manager. I didnt say managers = trophies you will have to continue your argument with the poster before. (and I would appreciate a response to all my post and not just an element you may wish to pick on) Bolton have as I've said done massively well but has done so thanks to the system and ways of working brought in by the manager in conjunction with a very supportive chairman. all i was trying to say following on from the bolton chairman comments and the SA reply that it takes a special/competant manager to make the bolton system work robson you cannot denie after the shit we were left in didnt succeed no trophies but champs league and top 5 finishes. As for the rest I agree all came with pedegree and bombed here and I'm the first to admit not one element of a club can pull the rest of the club up. With us the issue has been the will of the fans and the weakness of the chairman to stay strong with a manager in light of poor performances. SA has worked wonders at bolton and I would be ashamed of any bolton fan to say he hasnt done alot but he has never had the pressure to win things as he will be expected to here due to the fact he did so much with so little.

mido, bent, keane, bevatov, dofoe too many strikers too many to keep happy can see them getting rid of mido and dofoe but still will keane stick round or bevatov for anymore than one more season if they are stuck with rotation

I really see the spuds pushing for the top 4 this season where as I see us pushing for the 6-8 spots so I dont see us really in direct competition this comming season, as we all know it took a while for sir bob to ring the changes you cant change the back room, coaching, playing staff all in one summer and expect instant success, as spuds level off in their development (I can see them buying less and less being happy with their "young squad") while SA always seems to come accross as the type (especially if we continue to buy the older more experienced players) that we will constantly buy to improve/fill gaps so in two season so long as the funding is there spuds watch your backs!!!

Yes 'average journeymen' like Jay Jay Ockocha, Youri Djorkaeff, Fernando Hierro, Nicolas Anelka, etc, etc. I thought that Geordies were supposed to know something about football, or are you just the exception? Dont want to push in the middle of an arguement but I have always liked bolton but the press see's the club as the budget get by on a shoe string, up until anelka the club has gone from strenght to strength buying "older" "troubled" "past their best" type signings you cannot say that anything other than a descent manager would have been able to do a good job with some of rthe players recently signed. Certainly I feel that if we had of had SA and you had rodent or souey then I could have seen the same squad knocking eachother out or putting transfer requesting in left right and centre.

got a year left to run signed a 5yr deal

If Eidur does come and thats a big if right now seen as we may not even be interested him or vice versa would that mean the end of owen or martins? Serious question to consider as I know not everyone would be happy to see them leave.

Was it my imagination when I read quotes from Martins saying he is really happy and settled in the northeast and wants to stay?? and if SA was quoted today as Owen saga being resolved weeks ago then maybe we are keeping them both.

Yes played as a attacking midfielder at Chelsea but surely that would mean Barton playing as a DM. seems like we are going after players that can be used in different positions. If we were to keep Owen and Martins and Eidur was to come maybe we would go 3 up top and we would continue to rotate letting carroll go out on loan leave shola in his regular back up role, we have to remember martins if he stays disappears for over a months with african cup (if he is still allowed to go) and Viduka and Owen arent garenteed to play the whole season. Seems an impossible dream to keep all of them happy but I guess I'm just clutching at straws as I do like Martins and would like Owen to stay

quick question does Eidur play in midfield at all??

more likely he put all their names in a hat and pulled one could have been anyone. If they are going over their it is obviously more advanced than the initial phone call for availability, I still feel sad in a way I have wanted eidur sinse he was due to leave chelsea but dont want to loose martins yet i have a blind faith that sa knows what he is doing and thinks whats good for his team not for what is good for one player/area of the playing staff.

You would like to think its the takeover and boardroom changes that have made business of any sorts hard.

That would be a great basis for a decision considering he would be third/forth choice at Arsenal behind Van Persie, Adebayour and walcott(?). If Oba goes to Arsenal he may as well have stayed at Inter. Mind you he will be 3rd choice here as well and still get plenty of action I dont see owen or viduka staying fit all season, also I see us changing the set up to start martins in certain types of games and the team on a whole I can see operating more on a rotation basis.

only reason for ground sharing is if your skint and need to raise capital and I dont think either pool or everton are cash strapped never going to happen and glad it doesnt every club deserves a place to call its own. Could never see us changing our ground name to "st james's stadium of light".

What 'must be Motta'? what ya say about my Motta Dave??

agreed at the time he came 2.5m seemed good bit of business, now if we cant give him away and we have to keep then hopefully he will only be deserving of the odd cameo appearance if the 1st and 2nd ooh and the academy lads are all used up.

all we need now is an age reversing drug and Shearer comming back as a tenacious 24yr old

Exactly we aint exactly strapped for cash and needing to get him away in case he flops, he is young, can only get better working in a better team with the right coaching you can see alot of his weaker elements going and the things that make him special becomming more apparant. Give the lad a chance one season wonder he isn't and worse comes to the worse he flops and we sell him off, being written off because he didnt blast in 30 goals or score hatricks like no tommorow does not mean he is a bad player.

Nah, we established that doesn't count because he bought Jeffers. dont forget Dave the fact that the ones that do think he can come good think it can only be with wenger.

Its like we are shopping at ford garage and getting a bmw for the same price, would never imagine rodent ever doing this sort of business. Thankfully you never need imagine it again. Thankfully if you do, imagination is all it is! I do sometimes wonder if a club will ever take a chance on souness or rodent again and if so at what level. Back to the who to sign business there are so many possibilities and there is nothing stopping us gathering a good squad on small fee's only if we are going to spend big lets hope there will be no discontent from the rest of the squad if we have to start pulling out the big wages and massive signing on fee's (we have had enough of that culture surely)

Its like we are shopping at ford garage and getting a bmw for the same price, would never imagine rodent ever doing this sort of business.