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Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Recently ? I'm no better mind. Believe it or not I was once one of the last optimists/Ashley holdouts here.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club. We didn't get relegated Debatable. Given what happened after, also debatable. I'll admit that it felt wonderful at the time. The Pardew one definitely isn't debatable IMO Like I said, it was amazing and cathartic at the time but how does it help in the long run? We have the same owners and we're stuck with a dude that's 10x worse at managing and just as odious.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club. We didn't get relegated Debatable. Given what happened after, also debatable. I'll admit that it felt wonderful at the time.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English? Well let's hold off until we see which one ends up the job, McClaren or Vieira. I guess you'll have your answer. This is the spineless piece of shit who got sacked by a Championship club BTW, after failing to get them promoted two seasons in a row. Again, I don't deny that he's unexciting but we have no evidence for spineless. Plenty of bad managers with firm, robust spines out there. (Big Sam, Roy Keane etc.) Also it's all moot because we're appointing Carver.

McClaren is going to turn us down. I can feel it coming. It's like Game of Thrones. Whatever you think the worst-case scenario is, it can always be worse.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English? This is the man that was pretending to have a Dutch accent and er how you say in English conform like a spineless cunt after he got off the plane. He'll be speaking mercenary borrow boy bullshit within minutes of getting the job. Still can't figure out how he could possibly have thought that was a good idea

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English?

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down.

Back in the good 'ol Pardew days I probably would have bit your hand off if offered McClaren. Things should be no different now that the alternative is Carver.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once

It's also kind of depressing that the club's idea of "relatively exciting" is Martin Jol circa 2010 (probably past it) and Patrick Vieira circa 2015 (never managed)

Calm down, Vieira is just a smokescreen for McClaren who is just a smokescreen for Carver getting the job again. Smokescreen-ception.

What if McClaren is nothing more than a PR stunt before hiring Carver

All this bickering over McClaren v. Vieira is going to look silly when Carver is still our manager in August.

If he's not getting games it's going to be some other guy who's not good enough. At least Sammy is funny.

Thought i read on here you were a pilot in the Korean airforce! What a fucking letdown. Obviously stole the uniform for that TV show. Fucking imposter. I was one but this job pays better Not a pilot though.

If we judged by stats Williamson would be world class. Some people just seem to think that the definition of "stats" is "things that are wrong"

Though I guess I'm a little disappointed the DoJ's putting its all-stars on this case and not, say, on the civil rights crisis in our country at the moment. I'm sorry man

And why in the name of f*** has Asia got nearly 50 votes (just a few less then Europe)? Because thats the amount of countries there In proportion to either population or popularity of the game, Asia is probably slightly under represented.

Another myth. In your opinion. We're seriously going to question the commitment of the guy who rehabilitated himself from multiple career-ending injuries to play professional football?

weapons grade horseshit I repeat, this is the terriblest idea ever. Europe would immediately cut all funds for football development projects in Africa/Asia. What's the point of making them better when that just means they'll get more votes. There's no reason to assume that. There's no reason to assume that funding for football development even needs to voted on. If you're building something from scratch there's no reason why you couldn't write something on division of funds into a founding charter or similar. It's just a massive assumption you're making. If you're trying to level the field in FIFA there's no reason why you couldn't make those sort of arrangements too. Of course you could implement revenue-sharing or other equalizing measures prior to giving them more votes, but in a hypothetical environment that is sufficiently pro-UEFA to institutionalize weighted voting for these countries, how would those unamendable revenue-sharing measures pass in the first place? Also, from a purely normative perspective, why must Africa and Asia be reliant on the goodwill of the UEFA countries to represent their interests? We don't deserve an equal voice just because we're shit at football? Africa is now providing the top European leagues with a significant portion of their star players and Asia is providing a significant portion of their fans. We're all part of this enterprise and have no interest in being relegated to junior partner status just because other parts of the world happened to start kicking balls earlier than we did. My main issue is that the fucking Cayman Isles have the same say as South Korea. In no way should the Cayman Isles have as much a say in world football as South Korea, or other "big" FAs. Will the Cayman Isles ever get close to qualifying for a World Cup? If doing the FIFA ranking thing, one could simply take the top five from each association in the FIFA rankings and give their votes the same power, then take six-ten from the FIFA rankings and so on. That way each association will still have an equal amount of say. I'd be okay with that for obvious reasons but that's just setting the cutoff point at a different level. Not all countries with low FIFA rankings are jokes like the Cayman Islands, and a lot of them would have legitimate grievances about how they're ever meant to improve if they're not given a voice due to votes weighted by FIFA ranking/# of registered clubs etc.

He's not any worse than our other options in his position and there's some glimmer of hope that he may become better. Of course he's a Newcastle youth player so by definition he's shit, but things could be worse.

It came and went in his time here. Liked his role and contribution during our 4-3-3 days in 2012. What a man, on Sunday though. He tended to be excellent when the team was playing well and the first to go when the form started dropping. Finally bucked that trend on the last day of the season though.