Wandy

The only managers that NUFC fans have hounded out in the last 20 years have been Allardyce, Pardew & Bruce.

Like I say, the truth hurts. How many other clubs have such a high managerial turnover then? Blame Short all you want, but the managers he appointed were all approved by the fanbase at the time. Same with the players bought too. And the "fault" lies partially with SAFC fans themselves. The simple fact is that a proportion of Sunderland's support don't seem to want to pay for tickets. And it's still a problem, as the club continues to artificially hike up attendance numbers.

The truth hurts doesn't it. Short didn't "get bored". He realised that he couldn't keep pissing money away on a lost cause so stopped propping SAFC up. Once the club had to start standing on it's own two feet the decline quickly kicked in. Your fans are still demanding a manager gets sacked as soon as a bad run of results happens. Seven managers in less than six seasons since May 2017 speaks for itself.

He still didn't have to write that debt off. He could have truly "let you rot" in the lower leagues for a generation but instead he accepted that he had fucked up and just cut his losses to get out of town, but also let you recover more quickly. Do you think Mike Ashley would have wrote off £200m+ plus in debt if he owned you? Short was a poor owner in terms of making some rotten footballing decisions but financially he was incredibly generous. The trouble with SAFC fans is they paint Short as an appalling owner and pin all of the club's failures from 2017 onwards directly onto him, when the truth is that the fanbase played a massive part in the malaise by demanding a manager should be sacked every 9 months. And 6 years on that same fanbase are still doing that shit. It's never about them though.

Left the club to rot? He wrote off hundreds of millions in debt man.

10 years ago you were in the PL and propped up by Ellis Short. How is your current position better than that?

Your fans, and every other fanbase, would react in the exact same way that NUFC fans have done. Go and have a look on Red Cafe and witness how Man Utd fans are now praying for an oil state to come in for them.

Can only agree with this. I went to a friends-of-family birthday party in a suburb of Edinburgh roughly 10 years ago and it's the bleakest, most depressing place I have ever witnessed. Like, proper Trainspotting grim.

Your not reading too much into it at all, for that is exactly what will happen now. The home crowd will not give him an inch, and Eddie will be sending him out to the lions if he plays him in any other circumstances other than sheer desperation. You know a miss is bad when even a professional commentator takes the piss out of it. “Chris Wood, what have you done”. I feel sorry for the lad a bit because he has obviously been liked in the dressing room and gives his all. Tonight proved though that he needs to leave the club before next season.

While there is no doubt that we have deserved our success this season, tonight’s display and result just shows how fine the margins are for us and how quickly the wheels could fall off and momentum swing the other way. Not gonna lie, I am worried about Tuesday now as we have applied some unwanted extra pressure on ourselves.

Got it wrong taking Isak off IMO. He should have given him 60 minutes at the very, very least.

He’s done here after that miss. The SJP crowd will be on his back at every given opportunity. Absolute carthorse.

Filbert Street was always a ground where there was trouble when we played there. Underneath their new family-friendly image they are still a bunch of snidey pricks.

Saw this on toontastic and I think it's a pretty accurate idea of how SJP will look if extended, when it comes to tackling the East Stand problem. An upper tier that heavily overhangs the lower tier, although the rake will probably need to be steeper than this shown here.

I'd be amazed if the site was used for a hospital. It's prime land for an entire new housing estate to be built on it.

First I have heard of this. Is that official?

Nah, only stupid people do mad things in the name of patriotism. Eddie isnt a stupid person. I'd bet the FA could offer to treble his NUFC wages and he'd still not be tempted.

Nope, there's not even the remotest chance that he will be tempted. Absolutely nothing will make him consider that job. Underneath that nice guy exterior is a very smart and calculating person and he knows better than anyone that he has landed the dream job in football. To give that up for the poisoned chalice of the England job would be complete madness. And Eddie Howe is definitely not mad.

There is zero chance of Howe taking the England job.

I see that the latest theory from the knackers over there is that Saudi now want to "take over" the Premier League. There is absolutely zero evidence of that of course, but that's not going to stop their fantasies about the Saudis buying Man Utd and either ditching us or making us the "feeder club" of Man Utd.

Fair point, that would definitely help to keep the noise in.

Yep, agree with all that. And the more I think about it, the more obvious it is that we need a new stadium. Because even if Level 7 is extended to the Gallowgate then that is actually likely to make the atmosphere even worse. The Gallowgate's current cowshed roof is what makes most of the atmosphere at SJP and once that is gone I could see SJP becoming even less intimidating.

Same here. SJP was an absolute bearpit when the capacity was 36k and all of the stands were roughly symmetrical. The Level 7 extension drastically reduced the intensity of the atmosphere though. Which is why any new stadium needs to be able to keep the atmosphere enclosed within, just like 1990s SJP did.

I don't know why it keeps being peddled that people want to move SJP away from the city centre. Absolutely nobody has even suggested it. A move 100 yards north is not "moving away". It's simply a tiny relocation of the current stadium and location.

This idea is a load of nonsense. You can clearly see that the finished article still massively impedes Leazes Terrace. It's a non starter.