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doing ok short term on the pitch, very well when you consider the mess keegan's departure left us in long term will be a disaster, i'm as terrified at the thought of who he'd sign given the chance as i am every time he opens his mouth

thought he was largely poor yesterday, lennon did him in the first few minutes and knew he had the beating of him...it was only other people covering him and crowding lennon out that saved him from being really shown up i like enrique but it was a pace/trickery thing yesterday, he couldn't cope with the combination lucky lennon's end product is so erratic really

indeed, still needs running out of NUFC though should it be true

should it be true he needs running out of the club immediately

you're not going down the "hope they fail" route I hope ? At my age now, I've seen far worse than this, and even the suggestion of it is pretty sad. Sorry but that is true and how I see it. For the record, I'll say what I've always said. The more "trophy players" the club sign ie just like the other trophy winners do, the better. If Owen DOES sign, is it a sign of a change or direction or Ashley trying to paper over the cracks and get deluded people on his side ? Do you think it would be a sign of him realising he has been wrong and is prepared to attempt to match the european qualifications of his predecessors ? What do you think ? I doubt very much that Ashley is going to spend big for a few reasons: firstly, the club is still up for sale. Secondly he hasn't got the money to compete with the top 4, only City have tbh. The other option would be to borrow money against the club and spend big like Liverpool, Manu and Villa. I don't think he was ever going to do that in the first place and definitely not now the clubs for sale. He's probably going to carry on trying to buy value players and build the squad gradually on players who won't go downhill quickly. So far as I'm aware, the vast majority of players we brought to the club by the last owners fell into that category and I can quite easily list a lot of them if you wish ? If your list is going to include players bought under Sir John Hall's time as Chairman then don't bother. If you can make a list of value players bought under Shepherd's reign as chairman then by all means go ahead as that's the period we are generally considered to have spent badly in the transfer market. there are plenty of players under the chairmanship of both, but as nobody at any time had a controlling interest in the club and neither at any time was ever in a position to run the club single handed without the other, there is no point seperating them. I understand that you want to find a way to slate Shepherd here, but sadly for you, it has little basis for the reasons I've just given. You can, in the meantime, ignore the fact that Woodgate was also a record transfer at the time, and the acid test is that Ashley is unlikely to match the Champions League and european qualifications, [which is what REALLY matters], if he ever was at all. You are obviously ignoring the fact that Milner was sold to essentially finance the transfer of Colocinni while failing to back their appointed manager while making a profit in the transfer window, something that didn't happen under the Halls and shepherd, or the Halls OR Shepherd if you are determined to try and seperate the regimes. You can defend Ashley until you are blue in the face, but the penny pinching manner in which the club has been run since he came, will never match what the club has done in the last 15 years even if you live until you are 200. To get back on topic, buying players who's value is hoped to rise, is nothing new, and you're spouting rubbish if you say or imply that it is. oh and here is your list, not including the time of Dalglish and Gullit either, which adds shay given, Nobby Solano, Andy Griffin, Domi, Pistone, Goma, Glass, Hamman, Speed and Ferguson to the list, without even thinking. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,57178.msg1598810.html#msg1598810 Those were all players bought by managers hired and fired by Shepherd, without even mentioning players bought by Souness who blew most of the money made available by Freddie on players like Boumsong, Luque, Carr and Bowyer. In fact SBR was over-ruled on buying Miguel so we could buy Carr for £3m less. Freddie sure showed his ambition with that decision that last bit can't be true? it just can't, fucking hell

this is so nailed on 100% correct about dyer they should make it the epitaph on his gravestone, written in encrusted diamonds or something just to highlight how much of a total cunt he obviously is anyone see the david james documentary thing ages ago? can't remember the ins and outs but i'll always remember dyer came across as the biggest twat i'd ever set eyes on, it was something about a watch being more expensive than a car iirc(?) twat of the highest order

who's gonna let freddy shepherd know then?

this, absolutely if he wasn't getting paid a relative fucking fortune i'd probably have some type of pity for him, as it is i just wish he didn't exist

HTT?

sounds to me like they've asked him when he was pissed in a pub...

seriously, reeeeally?

owen won't stay for the money alone imo, he was the golden boy of english football behind beckham and he's just spent the last 4 years being directly associated with the biggest laughing stock in english football, which is more or less what we are he knows he's good enough to be winning trophies and/or playing in europe - if a club offers him a realistic hope of either he's gone or from our side i reckon he'd need to be sat down by the owners and told they're staying and will restore some credibility and stability to the club, that it's not going to be sold...i always thought owen was only in it for the money and if he signs now he's proving me right tbh

I hope you've got your tin hat on. Its kind of sad that he actually needs one. I agree with him, one of the most ironic things I've seen in recent years is the same people who protested to get Ashley out saying how class they think Jonas and Coloccini are. Add Guthrie and Bassong to the list and the ironyometer might explode. Eh? You're saying this, but who knows who we might have been able to get in if the manager had his way. Also the squad is still terribly weak in areas that the manager said needed improving the most. But don't let that get in the way though as in three transfer windows we've signed a couple of canny players though. no one can deny the balance has been wrong since ashley took over, but if he came back tomorrow & spent his 20m a season on a couple of top class players plus unearthing the likes of what we got this summer we'd be in business there is no innocent & guilty here, never was

I must have missed Duff playing out of his skin. Maybe when he was out of it, he left his hamstrings behind. Kinnear needs to lay off the acid if he thinks Duff was playing out of his skin. missed that from kinnear before, fucking terrifying maybe duff gives good head or something, his continued presence is inexplicable

just thought i'd join in the hate-fest, fuck off kinnear, please just fuck off sapping my will to live at the moment tbh

it's a good point indeed, but i'm not sure many people do think that do they? most people i'd hope, like me, see all the money the club has raked in since MA bought it through TV money, ST sales, merchandise etc.... and feel that some of that should have been put into the playing side even if he had to underwrite some of it himself and claw it back over say five years or something, fucking hell man it's not like he bought a barbie doll play house is it? he bought a football club that needs investment, can see why the likes of NE5 think he's tried to make money from the start, i just think he got caught out by jumping in too quick, which he admitted in an interview as far as i recall as for the debt and FS etc....i alluded to this earlier on, he could feasibly have continued to pile it up ad infinitum and never lost a penny himself directly except for potentially on the value of his stock, then walked away as he did with zero accountability comparing FS & MA is like comparing apples and oranges

Things are easy to forget considering the shit we're in now, it's a bit like having to choose between a heart attack and cancer. I can understand people forgetting when what happened back then doesn't cost us points this season. guess it's more my mind is focused on other horrible bits that i just can't keep them all in!! the end of robsons tenure and the way the man was treated broke me for FS + the old board, there was no going back for me then...he deserved dignity and got pissed all over things like that make me forget the fighting on the pitch shit

He hasn't sacked a manager the same season that he appointed him, we could have ended up in that position with Allardyce. true, i thought allardyce would've kept us up though, assuming he'd been given some backing in the january window...would've still been horrible shite but i don't think we'd have gone down

butt & sholagoals secured then? the future's bright, the future's JFK

you could argue shepherd acted too early at times but too his (and the boards) credit at least action was always taken and the unthinkable avoided, has to be said Sacking Dalglish in August '99 was his worst decision imo. He'd just built a half-decent side and signed the likes of Dabizas, Speed, Hamann, Given & Solano, had drawn at Chelsea 1-1, and then was sacked! I think had he hung on to Dalglish he'd have done a good job in the end. perhaps, but nothing dalglish has subsequently done since suggests so...he couldn't even cut it with barnes at celtic, but yeah you might be right...had dalglish got the chance to get some proper time with shearer things might have been different

Yes, we had players fighting on the pitch and getting sent off, a player calling the manager a liar on National TV while plumetting down the league. I don't think I've watched a match yet and felt as bad as I did the day Birmingham pissed all over us at home in the cup. said earlier on people have forgotten how bad things were at times, fuck me that's just made me one of them jesus christ

you could argue shepherd acted too early at times but too his (and the boards) credit at least action was always taken and the unthinkable avoided, has to be said

aye that's some statement, things could have got this bad under shepherd imo but they never came close

jumped for a header and landed with his legs kind of straight, you know the type? probably jarred something, maybe a ligament if he's unlucky, which he is

certain people really have forgotten, or never got at all, the feeling around supporting & watching the club from bobby leaving onwards, largely because of ashley i haven't, i honestly believed we'd eventually get relegated under the old board, their ineptitude seemed to know no bounds after the robson appointment, in fact even during that when they were making the poor old fella look like a mug on the sky cameras with the rooney bid being released the old board did some top stuff but people with memories know it was coming apart at the seams, with 100m+ of debt and the current credit crisis it would have taken a FUCKING good manager to get us back to the CL imo I see the smoggies have released their end of year accounts, and they are 93m quid in the red, and they haven't built a stadium like we have done, nor do they have our support. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Expect to see flak for Steve Gibson and warnings that the club may fold ? i fail to see what this has to do with the topic at hand really, couldn't give monkeys about 'boro as that and subsequent posts state, the insinuation that the debt was unique to us is wrong, especially when the trophy winners all have bigger debt. nope, no insinuation that the debt was unique at all i'm afraid, we've treaded enough ground on that subject to know it's not true don't we? this is a thread about a potential future remember, without getting into too much detail my point about debt is merely that to push back to the CL we'd have had to perhaps as much as double the 100m in the next few years under a PLC should the theoretical "gamble" we're discussing have worked maybe everything would have been fine, if it failed a la souness i doubt we would have been myself, especially given the way the credit market has gone recently